Rank: New forum user
|
I have an site that both an insurance company and builder have requested a RA for re a water leak before work will commence.
In effect the leak was caused by a waste connection from a toilet that has allowed waste water from both a sink and a toilet to enter the 'screed' within a house. Has anyone come across this before? and if so, is there any evidence of a possible bacterial contamination to anyone involved in the remedial work after drying out has taken place, or does the drying process remove the hazard? (as bacteria require both heat and water, therefore a reduction in relative humidity and water content of the screed would reduce the hazard).
??
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Hayrider:
When I last looked, it was an employer's duty to assess risk. Presumably a builder / plumber is employed (or self-employed) to do specific specialist tasks for which the risks should be well understood - by them the specialist. The client's duty (your organisation I assume) is to convey additional hazard information which might be unknown or unexpected. This sounds like a standard plumbing situation - nothing special, no radioactive or wierd chemical content. 'Mucky' water contamination.
Why would the client (or their safety adviser) be in a position of expertise to competently assess this? What's the point of contractors / specialists? Once again - who is the 'employer' with the legal duties?
I would resist this creeping beaurocracy, and be assertive, just refer to Reg 3 to the IC. I suspect the builder is on the insurers list so has picked up their habit. Insist that it is you, as client, who could be asking for the safety precautions / risk assessment findings from the contractor, not the other way round.
BTW, any work like this would rely primarily on good hygiene measures, whatever the actual scientific detail, surely meriting a laboratory study. In other words, wash hands!!
|
|
|
|
Rank: New forum user
|
Aud
Thanks for reply.
This was my line of thinking, but I just wanted some feedback.
Thanks again.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Aud, I had the unfortunate experience of "dirty water" leaking in to my house. I instructed a contractor to do the immediate work and when it was established that the remediation costs would be high, my insurers agreed to let the same contractor carry out the works. No nonsense about asking the householder for a risk assessment. Good hygiene procedures by all concerned.
Had they asked me for a risk assessment my response would have been the same as aud's.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
I agree with the earlier comments. Builders and plumbers inevitably encounter contaminated parts of buildings in the course of their work and ought to know the simple methods to decontaminate such parts and also take appropriate hygiene measures in order to avoid/minimise the risk of infection to themselves, e.g. when replacing or repairing WCs. As for treating the contaminated (underfloor?) screed area, my strong guess is that the relevant measures would consist of physically removing any visible deposits and then applying a bleach solution. This would kill the smell and germs. Over time, depending on the degree of ventilation available, the screed would dry out and the bleach smell would dissipate.
As regards the insurance company's request for a risk assessment (RA), perhaps it has a form with a tick box on it about RAs. That's fine for complex remedial work which merits prior thought and planning, but not for relatively simple tasks like the one described above. If the company uses a form with such a box, perhaps it has either been misunderstood by a clerical assistant who is unacquainted with basic building and plumbing matters or the reference to RAs needs amending with the addition of word like "where appropriate".
On a wider scale, I've discerned from other postings on this forum that RAs are being required for various situations which simply don't merit them. Do others share this impression? If so, do such requirements arise because of 1) misperceptions by non-OS&H people about RAs, 2) some OS&H professionals being over-zealous and requiring everything and anything to be risk-assessed or 3) perhaps more likely a combination of 1) and 2) ?
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Graham you are quite right in all your questions. There seems to be an over the top call for risk assessments as displayed by the number of topics raised on this forum. The law requires a risk assessment where the task is not fully understood and the risk is quite significant. Cleaning up a spill of possible contamination in a toilet is not a rare event and any plumber or builder would have done this many times and be fully aware of the risks involved and can take whatever precations are needed while doing that task. One thing that worries me is the number of calls being made for someone to undertake a risk assessment every time they come across a task that is commonly undertaken and is in fact very low risk. The paper trail is becoming the worse part of managing H&S. I'm afraid.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
With ref to #2 as some who has to deal with ‘radioactive or weird chemical content’ this looks fairly straight forward and I ‘d expect the plumbers to be able to deal with what looks like a standard procedure. It’s their job and so their RA, you might need to supply them with information about what is in the water (roughly, you can’t be expected to name every possible microorganisms that it contains).
All they require is basic biological safety ie they wear some sort of PPE and maintain good hygiene.
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.