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Burman33119  
#1 Posted : 05 July 2012 13:38:45(UTC)
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Burman33119

Hi, anyone got a risk assessment for a CNC Milling machine that they could let me have please? Thanks.
JohnW  
#2 Posted : 05 July 2012 13:47:22(UTC)
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JohnW

Well Burman, not all CNC machines are the same, depends how old they are, the software, the interlock controls etc. So the RA needs to be specific and conducted on the job with the operataor. You really should do a PUWER assessment first to familiarise yourself with the interlocks, guards, and the work procedures that the operators follow, can they pause the programme (is that safe?) and also the size/weight of various tools/pieces that the machine works on how are thay handled, how clean is the work area, is the suds control adequate, are there safe procedures for cleaning and for repair/maintenance work.
Burman33119  
#3 Posted : 05 July 2012 14:34:05(UTC)
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Burman33119

Thanks for that John. Not had the opportunity to do the PUWER assessment yet. Just wanted to ensure that I had thought about all the potential hazards before starting.
chas  
#4 Posted : 05 July 2012 15:39:29(UTC)
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chas

If you can get hold of a copy of BS4163 there is a whole section there dedicated to CNC machines (including milling machies) which highlights the potential hazards and suggests appropriate control measures. The document is geared towards the education sector but you could easily adapt the information to reflect your line of work.
JohnW  
#5 Posted : 05 July 2012 15:45:54(UTC)
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JohnW

Yeah, main thing to check is that any interlock devices DO work and can't be over-ridden. I remember discussing on this forum couple of years ago, one of my customers whose boss had deliberatly disabled interlocks on about 6 machines, so that operators could open doors and check tool position with a steel ruler !! oh and he also liked to hear the sound of the machine....... I got his insurance company involved. note: the insurance company hadn't read the RA's that I sent them which detailed the disabled interlocks..... :o/ Cheers
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 05 July 2012 16:44:26(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

For use only by competent operators (or those under such direct supervision) Installed by competent persons Maintained by competent persons Adequate and compliant power supply and methods of isolation Adequately lit, appropriate segregation, signage, beacons etc. fault/defect reporting procedure.
Burman33119  
#7 Posted : 05 July 2012 17:12:43(UTC)
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Burman33119

Many thanks to everyone who responded. I will definitely try to obtain BS4163. JohnW - glad I'm not the only one to have these problems (does sud covered viewing panesl sound familiar when justifying certain disabling actions?
paul.skyrme  
#8 Posted : 05 July 2012 18:24:14(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

What do you want to know about 4163?
Burman33119  
#9 Posted : 05 July 2012 22:35:01(UTC)
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Burman33119

See previous reply. "If you can get hold of a copy of BS4163 there is a whole section there dedicated to CNC machines (including milling machies) which highlights the potential hazards and suggests appropriate control measures. The document is geared towards the education sector but you could easily adapt the information to reflect your line of work" I just want to make sure that I have got my head around all of the hazards posed by these machines before carrying out the assessment. It appears that there could also be a potential problem with interlocks being disabled. The misguided justification for this act appears to be that when viewing panels are obscured by metal working fluids, the operator is unable to view the workpiece. In order to view the part, the operator opens the doors and carries out the adjustment. By overriding the guarding, the operator prevents the software starting the machining cycle from scratch and hence the job taking longer and costing more. if anyone has any advice in overcoming this problem i.e. new software for instance, I would be really grateful.
Doug Florence  
#10 Posted : 07 July 2012 05:44:59(UTC)
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Doug Florence

A better standard to consider would be BS EN13128:2001+A2:2009 Safety of machine tools — Milling machines (including boring machines) This is the relevant Machinery Directive harmonised standard. The CEN comittee has done the risk assessment for you! Compliance with this standard would give you a presumption of conformity with the Machinery Directive and therefore with PUWER as well. It is not mandatory for your machine to comply with the standard but if you find non compliances you should attempt to justify them. You may find that your local Public library gives you on line, free read only access to all BS standards which includes BS EN, BS EN ISOs. etc. It should only be possible to operate the machine in low speed, hold to run setting mode with the guard open and it should not be possible to open the guard until the machine is in this mode. Guard safety interlocks should absolutely not be disabled unless alternative protection measures are taken. Another thing to watch out for on this type of machine is polycarbonate windoes which have become brittle with age. They should be replaced every year or so. Brittle windows can shatter in the event of tool or workpiece breakage. Operators have been killed and injured in this way before.
Burman33119  
#11 Posted : 08 July 2012 20:26:37(UTC)
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Burman33119

Hi Doug Many thanks for your response. Definitely worth trying the local library.
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