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Lojikglos  
#1 Posted : 17 July 2012 19:22:47(UTC)
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Lojikglos

Hi all Would appreciate any advice or hearing your experiences on online health and safety training. The problem I have is it doesnt quite fit or feel right. log on read a bit of blurb maybe watch a video or go through a powerpoint presentation then take a test . . . and once you have passed you can download a certificate! Is there some kind of accreditation or standard acknowledged by the HSE as suitable and sufficient that companies offering online health and safety training are required to work to. From a personal point of view I would much prefer sitting in an environment where I am actually being TAUGHT something by a proffessional who has a form of formal training , who I can interact with ask questions and so on. I have in my time had numerous calls from companies offering "online health and safety" training and have never really given them much tought. . . however today I have been instructed to look at a specific company , for work at height training, review it for ease of use etc and back brief a senior member of the company I work for. Im just hoping I can keep my brief impartial BUT WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE any and all advice or hear of your experiences As with all threads thanksin advance to anyone who replies
SNS  
#2 Posted : 17 July 2012 20:18:40(UTC)
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SNS

I reckon that its ok for baseline information, can do outlines of regulations or instructions to be followed but can't stand alone and needs to be backed up by localisation and a question and answer session to ensure that a modicum of understanding has been achieved. HTH Rgds, S
frankc  
#3 Posted : 17 July 2012 21:39:47(UTC)
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frankc

I agree with SNS but in this instance, i would dig the heels in and insist on formal training. There are so many different aspects to W@H that whichever way your company decides to go with the training, you make sure it is bespoke to the type of work your company undertakes.
Alex Whittle  
#4 Posted : 17 July 2012 22:43:35(UTC)
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Alex Whittle

I agree with frankc & SNS. I would strongly discourage 'on line training' for a high risk activity such as working at height. This requires a delivery from a competent person, in order to fully discharge the required duties bestowed upon the employer. It facilitates interaction, trying on equipment where appicable and offers a Q&A session throughout. However, OLT, it does have its place, for example; as a preliminary site induction prior to arrival of contractors to the host site, which falls under the four C's. Do not scrimp, which OLT often is. With tact inform your senior manager, if you pay peanuts you will end up with monkeys. Ultimately the intention is to literally keep operatives free from harm and out of the ground. Strong words perhaps, but why not say it how it is. Regards Alex
sadlass  
#5 Posted : 18 July 2012 18:59:58(UTC)
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sadlass

The comments are all good, but there are also some pretty poor online courses, which are little more than electronic page-turners. I have used a GOOD online system but only as a base-line and to cover the low risk areas. The higher risk areas benefit enormously from interaction (and clips from the online can be used to support & integrate). It's a case of best value and what works. I think online (a GOOD one) has it's place. For work at height - hmm.
craigmu  
#6 Posted : 18 July 2012 20:50:07(UTC)
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craigmu

This year i completed the NEBOSH Construction Certificate with Shields and i was really happy with the content and support that they provide. The think that is missing is often the practical experience that a good tutor gan give. Examples of scenarios that they have been involved in and how they went about providing is very useful and gives a hint at the mindset you need to be successful. For more practical issues on line courses would come up short in my opinion.
DFH  
#7 Posted : 18 July 2012 21:15:14(UTC)
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DFH

I agree with the general points made by others. OLT is OK for covering the basics or refresher training for low risk activities/environments/induction. Even then you generally get what you pay for. I think where the worker will be needing to make important safety decisions in changing circumstances (as may happen with work at height) you need face to face training with scenarios and/or practice. You don't mention what type of work at height is involved but many specific types of access have widely recognised schemes such as PASMA (scaffolds) and IPAF (MEWPS) and all of these are (I think) classroom & practical.
Mr.Flibble  
#8 Posted : 19 July 2012 10:50:14(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

You can never replace practice training, but in this day and age and the quality of some of these online training packages it is the way forward and if you are a large company with loads of office based staff its great for DSE, Fire Awareness, General H&S Training etc. I agree it would not be very effective for W@H but it does have its place in today's training programs.
mootoppers  
#9 Posted : 19 July 2012 11:53:46(UTC)
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mootoppers

Lojikglos - we use both OLT and in person training. We only use the OLT for persons who need a baseline knowledge though in order to protect both them and us at work. Any employees who would rely on that training in order to avoid an injury, or any area or task which is high risk and would need the training to be robust in order to reduce the risk is automatically included in our 'in person training'. They both have a place and it seems to work well for us.
alistair  
#10 Posted : 19 July 2012 15:50:12(UTC)
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alistair

I agree with all the sentiments so far. There was an interesting case some time ago when an employee was sitting on a large tyre while inflating it and it exploded (I don't have the details to hand but it was a serious outcome). The garage owner, in his defence, stated that he had provided the employee with an instruction book which he signed for. The judge's comments were along the lines of 'providing a booklet, even if you have a signature showing that the employee has read and understand it, does not constitute training underr the HSW Act 1974 S2, for such an activity'. Perhaps the same would apply to OLT, but, as stated, it does have a place for baseline and awareness or refresher training.
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