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Docking36832  
#1 Posted : 03 August 2012 14:43:14(UTC)
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Docking36832

If there's an emergency and no hot water for a few hours in an office is this acceptable? I've checked Workplace Regs but generalised guidance and can't find anything that stipulates a time limit. Based on risk assessment and what is reasonably practicable I believe - using water bottles or amenities next door etc as short time frame. Obviously chemical portable loos if long time frame. Anyon have experience of this and people maybe wanting to go home?
Canopener  
#2 Posted : 03 August 2012 15:20:47(UTC)
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Canopener

The tile of the thread is about no hot water. We've had this one before. Fee for intervention or not, the might of the HSE are not going to beating a path to your door for a temporary or transient situation that does not present a significant risk to your staff. Keep your staff informed, if necessary make temporary arrangements but keep a sense of proportion about it as well. Are they going to suffer significant ill health or injury? I doubt it. And as it is Friday. Some years ago, South Eastern Turkey, tent city, middle of winter, flying ops to enforce the no fly zone over Northern Iraq. Welfare facilities pretty basic. Porta loos, shower tent. Squadron Leader SENGO happens to mention one morning that the 'chaps' seem a 'little down'. "Might have something to do with the fact that we haven't had any hot water for 8 days sir" I replied!!! I'm still here!
Kate  
#3 Posted : 03 August 2012 16:08:11(UTC)
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Kate

As long as you are taking reasonable steps to put it right and provide anything that is needed in the meantime, it's OK. And no, staff don't have the right to go home! Is it just no hot water or no water at all?
Docking36832  
#4 Posted : 03 August 2012 16:13:04(UTC)
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Docking36832

It was just no hot water, plenty of cold. We did think about heating some up but then increased risk of burns and MH injuries came to mind! Thanks anyway - not had an irate emails so guessing all is back to normal now.
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#5 Posted : 03 August 2012 17:57:29(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Docking36832 wrote:
It was just no hot water, plenty of cold. We did think about heating some up but then increased risk of burns and MH injuries came to mind! Thanks anyway - not had an irate emails so guessing all is back to normal now.
What, not even for a cuppa?
Graham Bullough  
#6 Posted : 03 August 2012 19:23:10(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Docking36832 - Though you alluded to an emergency in your opening post, the non-availability of a supply of hot water in an office-type workplace for a few hours doesn't constitute an emergency. As you later added that nobody had made any complaints, it seems that the employees didn't think the situation constituted one either. By contrast, mind you, if there had been no water to even brew some tea, that would almost certainly require fairly urgent action to obtain sufficient water for this purpose! :-)
Kate  
#7 Posted : 06 August 2012 08:22:20(UTC)
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Kate

But how would you benefit from portable toilets if you still have cold water? They don't normally come with hot water.
chris.packham  
#8 Posted : 06 August 2012 10:54:24(UTC)
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chris.packham

I presume by the reference to toilets you are concerned about hand washing. If this is the case then I would not worry. In fact, washing in hot water (i.e. about 40 deg C) actually damages the skin's natural barrier and it can take an hour or more to recover. Hands should only be washed in lukewarm water, and cold water is preferable to too hot. So there is no real health and safety issue here. Chris
teh_boy  
#9 Posted : 06 August 2012 12:44:58(UTC)
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teh_boy

Docking36832 wrote:
We did think about heating some up but then increased risk of burns and MH injuries came to mind!
How on earth were you going to heat it up? The mind boggles.... On a very random side note - as CoSHH has killed my brain today - No tea = Red fax to county emergency planning - and the words - "we have a escalating major emergency - please being a gold command unit with tea making facilities uttered to the 999 operator!" During a training exercise on a COMAH site the fire brigade and police supper intendant argued over which gold command unit to use. The fireman - honestly said - it's a fire so I'm in charge and our command unit is new and has a good kitchen!!!!!!!!!!!! The policeman pointed out - quite bluntly - that he was in charge and would arrest the fire officer if he didn't do what he was told!
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