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szone  
#1 Posted : 06 August 2012 14:47:22(UTC)
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szone

Hi, Can anyone clarify the situation of using FLT's on the road. I am aware that if they are on the public highway then they will need to be plated. However the area in question is a private industrial estate , but this is used by occupants of the units and also the public has access to the road leading into the estate (private). Would the truck need to be plated ? Thanks
Mudmuppet  
#2 Posted : 06 August 2012 18:03:27(UTC)
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Mudmuppet

szone FLT shouldn't need plates for a private road, I would check that there is signage informing the public the road is private and that your employees have instructions for being aware of third parties while working, possibly a vehicle marshal to watch out.
SafetyGirl  
#3 Posted : 06 August 2012 19:49:40(UTC)
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SafetyGirl

I think there is something somewhere that says that even on a public road, plated or not, you can go a distance of 500m....perhaps someone can clarify this...
Canopener  
#4 Posted : 06 August 2012 20:25:29(UTC)
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Canopener

I am not entirely sure however, you may be interested to know that "It is important to note that references to ‘road’ therefore generally include footpaths, bridleways and cycle tracks, and many roadways and driveways on private land (including many car parks). In most cases, the law will apply to them and there may be additional rules for particular paths or ways. Some serious driving offences, including drink-driving offences, also apply to all public places, for example public car parks." Source http://www.direct.gov.uk...rt/Highwaycode/DG_069869 i.e. just because a road or property is 'private' doesn't necessarily mean that the various 'highways laws' don't apply. Why don't you enquire with local VOSA/DOT? I've always found them helpful.
dennish  
#5 Posted : 07 August 2012 06:11:55(UTC)
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dennish

Hi Try the forklift truck association http://www.fork-truck.org.uk/fact-sheets they should be able to give you a steer in the right direction.
Phil Grace  
#6 Posted : 07 August 2012 07:38:23(UTC)
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Phil Grace

Regarding canopener's comments. Spot on! Many seemingly private pieces of road can be regarded for legal purposes as "public highway" meaning that the relevant laws apply. szone gives the game away by saying that it is a private road to which the public have access.... hence it'll be a public highway in the legal sense of the term. Phil
Rob35  
#7 Posted : 07 August 2012 09:27:31(UTC)
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Rob35

There is some guidance out there (I will try and dig it out) relating to short distance being allowed. Used it in a previous role to allow a side loader to travel from one entrance to another due to the size of the material being carried. (Risk Assessments completed and controls put in place). I will see if I can find the book. Rob
Rob35  
#8 Posted : 07 August 2012 09:36:07(UTC)
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Rob35

British Industiral Truck Association GN 57 - Industrial Trucks on Public Roads. British Industrial Truck Association - Operators Safty Code Chapter 13 talks about 'Work Trucks' carry goods between private premises, connection with work activity and not exceeding 1000 yards. Hope this helps, contact them direct as they are paid for publications. Rob
Rob35  
#9 Posted : 07 August 2012 09:37:19(UTC)
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Rob35

Spull Chucker!!!! Safety not Safty!!!
alistair.r.reid  
#10 Posted : 08 August 2012 01:04:56(UTC)
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alistair.r.reid

The FLTA suggest that "It is not true that if you are just going to cross a road from one site to another, or offload a lorry outside on the road, you do not have to register, tax and insure your fork lift truck. That is an old wives’ tale!" http://www.fork-truck.or...uals/factsheets/FS08.pdf
Betta Spenden  
#11 Posted : 08 August 2012 19:40:23(UTC)
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Betta Spenden

Have you asked the DVLA?
TD  
#12 Posted : 08 August 2012 20:57:36(UTC)
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TD

Hello szone Just some info that happened to me Last year I telephoned Grampian Police and spoke with a lady inspector of the traffic department.I explained we has 3 yards and between each yard our forklifts travel but they are plated, taxed etc, but we did have another smaller yard that we sometimes used as an overspill which involved the side loader (not licensd) carrying equipment across the road from our main exit gate to another gate. The gates were not completely opposite each other but more diagonal but the forklift did not really travel on the road for any distance. I asked about this short distance that we hear about and I was told that the forklift had to be licensed as it is travelling ( in this case crossing) the Queens Highway. Should the forklift be involved in an accident with another vehicle or god forbid a pedestrian then not only would we be breaking the law but the driver of the forklift would also be charged as he / she is thhe responsible driver and in control , she also said that if the driver was charged then depending on the outcome it could effect his licence as in getting points for dangerous driving As I said I asked her about travelling short distances ( I mentioned 1000 yards) and she replied there is no and never has been an allowed distance. The police inspector also said that the queens highways covers private roads, car parks etc. In the end we plated / licensed the side loader, we thought it was bit over the top at the time but we did not want one of our employees being charged just for moving equipment. Hope this helps TD
Betta Spenden  
#13 Posted : 09 August 2012 08:12:50(UTC)
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Betta Spenden

The above poster makes some good points which is why you need to focus on asking the people that count (DVLA and your insurance company) and get the facts. Yes there is confusion over the 1000 yard issue. My suspicion is that this stems from the simple fact that so long as you are not travelling more than 1000 yards (it may be now quoted in metric figures) you can (or could a few years ago) continue to use red diesel (a different question to the one posted).
JohnW  
#14 Posted : 09 August 2012 11:15:34(UTC)
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JohnW

In my dealings with DVLA, phone calls had suggested that I needed to register (get plated) the fork trucks that crossed a public road to get from one gate to another, but we wouldn't need to pay any road tax (short distance, they wanted to see a map etc.). When I got to the DVLA office the fellow said the tax exemption only applied to agricultural vehicles! Our bill was going to be > £1000. AND he said that those FLTs that we hired could NOT be registered so therefore those trucks SHOULD NOT be used on the public road.
jfw  
#15 Posted : 09 August 2012 12:11:16(UTC)
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jfw

If DVLA are giving out information like that quoted by JohnW no wonder people are confused, when in fact the legislation is straight forward. The registration and licensing of fork lift trucks is governed by the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act (VERA) 1994, which includes special dispensation if a truck travels less than 1000 yards, allowing it to be classed as a "Works Truck". The act requires all trucks to be registered and taxed, with the cost of the tax based upon method of propulsion and design weight. The "Works Truck" dispensation basically means that you do not have to make major modifications to make it road legal. We have included a section on driving on the public highway in our FLT policy, which was compiled with the guidance of insurers. I have pasted it in below. Please feel free to copy it, comment on it, rip it to pieces in the usual forum style. 17.0 Lift Trucks on the Public Highway 17.1. Attention should be paid to reducing risks at point where lift trucks may meet other Traffic or pedestrians, including areas where lift trucks load and unload other vehicles making deliveries or collections. 17.2. Where the use of lift trucks outside the workplace is unavoidable, for example to load or unload lorries which cannot enter the workplace and are parked on public roads, risk assessment should include the extra hazards, such as the movement of road vehicles and pedestrians, which are not part of the work activity. 17.3. This risk assessment should form part of a safe system of work, and planning of the lifting operation should take the extra risk into account. 17.4. If a truck is to travel a distance greater than 1000 yards then it must be fully registered, according to weight and will need to comply with Construction and Use Regulations. Few lift trucks would readily meet these requirements and site should elect to transport the truck by other means. 17.5. If the truck is to travel less than 1000 yards then special dispensation is available. Registration and licensing of fork lift trucks is governed by the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act (VERA) 1994. For licensing purposes a truck may be described as a "Works Truck " when its use complies with the following conditions :- • It is designed for use in private premises and is used on public roads only for: - Carrying goods between private premises and a vehicle on the road in the immediate vicinity - Passing between one part and another or to the private premises in the immediate vicinity - In connection with road works at or in the immediate vicinity of the site of such works Therefore the truck would fall within the Works Truck category and would be registered as such. The actual taxation class would depend on the manufacturers design laden weight and method of propulsion. All electronically propelled lift trucks fall into the electric vehicle class and are exempt from duty. However, they must display registration plates on the rear of the vehicle or alternatively on either side and a null tax disc to show they are registered. Lift trucks with a design-laden weight of 3,500kgs or less fall into the private/light goods class and sites must pay the required duty. 17.6. Any lift truck being driven on a public road must be insured. The minimum requirement is third party liability insurance. 17.7 Operators of any lift truck lift truck being driven on a public road must hold a full category B driving licence and be over 21 years of age. 17.7. There is no requirement for an MOT. The vehicle should, of course, have a current Thorough Examination certificate but this is not required for registration. Operator Daily Checks are required as detailed in 10.1.
MAT  
#16 Posted : 10 August 2012 08:46:30(UTC)
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MAT

JFW's answer is correct. I recall researching this sometime ago, the Road Traffic act 1981 may also help. also If it's running on red diesel then it would need to be registered with VERA. MAT
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