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Garfield Esq  
#1 Posted : 23 August 2012 18:19:59(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

6 months or 12 months inspections??
roshqse  
#2 Posted : 23 August 2012 18:38:10(UTC)
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roshqse

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg367.pdf Personally we operate:- Before use After use Monthly 6 monthly Remove from use and condemn (regardless of condition) after 5 years. But as always come down to use and environment. Our use is all weathers, engineering, exposure to oils and paints.
Garfield Esq  
#3 Posted : 23 August 2012 18:49:58(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

roshqse wrote:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg367.pdf Personally we operate:- Before use After use Monthly 6 monthly Remove from use and condemn (regardless of condition) after 5 years. But as always come down to use and environment. Our use is all weathers, engineering, exposure to oils and paints.
Thanks for the link - do you class the 6 monthly as a TE under Loler??
roshqse  
#4 Posted : 23 August 2012 20:01:32(UTC)
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roshqse

LOLER? You mean in relation to rope access work I assume? (we don't do rope access, only restraint and fall arrest use) TE? You mean thorough examination? Yes I do. Thorough Examination means done by someone who has the experience, knowledge (both practical and theoretical) to detect defects. But in our case all our users are competent and have been trained in examination and fault detection so the before and after checks are (or should be!) thorough exams.
Garfield Esq  
#5 Posted : 23 August 2012 20:23:04(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

Thanks, I was very surprised recently to find out that our harnesses were only TE every 12 months. The argument was that they do not actually do the 'lift' therefore are not covered by reg 9, which clearly states: "in the case of lifting equipment for lifting persons or an accessory for lifting, at least every 6 months" Surely a harness used in hoist ops would be classed as an accessory?
Hammo  
#6 Posted : 24 August 2012 08:52:36(UTC)
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Hammo

Harnesses are PPE. Inspection by trained and competent persons as often as you deem fit but at least once every 12 months. Dont see the link to LOLER as they arent lifting equipment they are PPE. Equipment for lifting persons is reference to man riders or baskets. Accessory in this situation under LOLER means crane/FLT, shackles, eye bolts, block and tackle.
Azza  
#7 Posted : 24 August 2012 08:56:26(UTC)
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Azza

I do 6 monthly checks. The pre use check and after use check are vital for spotting damage/deterioration.
frankc  
#8 Posted : 24 August 2012 10:56:14(UTC)
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frankc

As the BS EN 365:2004 states every 12 months but really, it's down to the manufacturer and also the environment in which the harness and lanyards are being used. You would expect a harness used daily by a steel erector on a chemical plant to be inspected more often than one used by a surveyor who only goes up on to a roof every six weeks and clips to a running line.
roshqse  
#9 Posted : 24 August 2012 15:24:35(UTC)
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roshqse

LOLER does apply in Rope access works... ƒLifting Operations and Lifting Equipment Regulations (LOLER) 1998 Interpretation (Reg. 2) What is 'lifting equipment' in rope-based access work? LOLER applies to a wide range of lifting equipment and lifting operations, and covers [29] any equipment that lifts or lowers loads, including a person. Examples are: ropes and equipment used for work positioning (personal suspension equipment) during rope access work; rigging systems for lowering branches in arboriculture. The regulations apply to any attachments used for anchoring, fixing or supporting this equipment. For example: ropes; ƒ harnesses; ƒ connectors; anchor points; lanyards So yes harnesses are part of lifting equipment when used in rope access. Along with the strops, slings, shackles, ground anchors and the myriad other things involved.
Hexentric  
#10 Posted : 28 August 2012 21:02:05(UTC)
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Hexentric

It could depend upon the mode of working. If only used for fall restraint, where there is no possibility of the user becoming suspended in the harness, then LOLER would not apply. However, if used for fall arrest at any time, technically there is a possibility of the harness becoming a lifting accessory when used as part of a casualty recovery system, such as a Gotcha or Genie kit.
fscott  
#11 Posted : 08 July 2015 15:14:30(UTC)
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fscott

Bringing this back to life as I have been investigating the safe thing: We are welders/fabricators. We have two safety harness kits (two point harness with lanyard) which are used on average once per month (or less) as fall restraint when using a scissor lift type MEWP. They are subject to pre-use inspection by the user on each and every occasion plus a formal recorded monthly inspection but I'm confused about how often we should get a formal inspection done? When the latest kits were purchased they were accompanied by a 'Report of Thorough Examination of Personal Protective Equipment carried out in accordance with BS 8437' (Code of practice for selection, use and maintenance of personal fall protection systems and equipment for use in the workplace) which stated that the next inspection was due in 12 months. Until now we had always done them every 6 months and never had any issues. All kits are replaced after 5 years irrespective of condition in accordance with manufacturer's recommendations. However, having looked at BS 8437 it states "Formal inspection procedures should be put in place by employers to ensure that personal fall protection equipment is given a detailed inspection ... by a competent person before first use and at intervals not exceeding six months (or three months where the equipment is used in arduous conditions), and after circumstances liable to jeopardize safety have occurred". I've also looked at BS EN 365 (Personal protective equipment against falls from a height. General requirements for instructions for use, maintenance, periodic examination, repair, marking and packaging) and it states "Instructions for periodic examination shall include recommendation in regard to the frequency of periodic examinations, taking account of such factors as legislation, equipment type, frequency of use, and environmental conditions. The recommendation shall include a statement to the effect that the periodic examination frequency shall be at least every 12 months". I'm now really confused - do we need to do every 6 months or can we do every 12 months as that is the frequency determined by a competent person?
fscott  
#12 Posted : 08 July 2015 15:19:03(UTC)
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fscott

Sorry should say same thing - oh for an edit function :)
fscott  
#13 Posted : 08 July 2015 15:37:09(UTC)
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fscott

Oh also should have said the manufacturer's instructions which accompany the product also state "after every 12 months of utilization, personal protective equipment must be withdrawn from use to carry out periodical detailed inspection."
Xavier123  
#14 Posted : 08 July 2015 15:40:14(UTC)
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Xavier123

Didn't we cover this about 3 weeks ago? This is really relatively simple. It all depends upon intended use. If harness is being used as part of rope access then it is a lifting accessory being used to lift a person and 6 monthly (or more often as necessary) TE under LOLER applies. If harness is being used for restraint or arrest purposes ONLY then it is not lifting equipment and PUWER applies - since PUWER doesn't apply a legal minimum you can use manufacturer, BS and own personal RA frameworks to guide your frequency of formal inspection. NB. I don't hold with the harness becoming lifting equipment DURING a fall arrest rescue to an extent that would then require it to be treated under LOLER at all times.
RayRapp  
#15 Posted : 08 July 2015 15:43:00(UTC)
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RayRapp

I would be inclined to err on the side of caution and ensure 6 monthly formal inspections. In the past an insurance company representative has provided this service at 6 monthly intervals - for a fee of course. The guidance in the link from a previous post also suggests 6 monthly as per below. The employer can dictate what the frequency is. I suggest if you adopt a 12 monthly regime you need to be able to robustly defend this decision should the need arise. Detailed inspections These more formal, in-depth inspections should be carried out periodically at minimum intervals specified in the employer’s inspection regime. It is recommended that there is a detailed inspection at least every six months. For frequently used lanyards it is suggested that this is increased to at least every three months, particularly when the equipment is used in arduous environments (eg demolition, steel erection, scaffolding, steel skeletal masts/towers with edges and protrusions). Detailed inspections should be recorded.
fscott  
#16 Posted : 08 July 2015 15:43:40(UTC)
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fscott

Thanks Xavier I did do a search but this was the nearest previous post I could find to my query.
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