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m  
#1 Posted : 31 August 2012 08:19:34(UTC)
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m

How many RIDDOR reports per annum per 100 employees would you reckon to have? I am thinking of food manufacturing but your thoughts on any industry would be of interest. I was quoted 5 but I would have thought that this was a high number. Obviously the target always has to be zero what what are you achieving / targetting etc?
Terry556  
#2 Posted : 31 August 2012 08:23:28(UTC)
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Terry556

YTD I have had one reportable to RIDDOR
hilary  
#3 Posted : 31 August 2012 08:32:47(UTC)
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hilary

We haven't had a RIDDOR reportable or lost time accident in 4½ years and I work in Manufacturing/Engineering with just over 100 staff.
alan w houghton  
#4 Posted : 31 August 2012 08:33:00(UTC)
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alan w houghton

100 employees although this does take into account sub-contractors

We work in the construction sector
1 RIDDOR in last three years - or one this year
chris.packham  
#5 Posted : 31 August 2012 08:38:32(UTC)
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chris.packham

I would be cautious about using this number as any sort of yardstick as to performance. After all, a fatality is one RIDDOR report, three minor incidents is 3 RIDDOR reports. Which indicates the better performance?

Chris
Steve Sedgwick  
#6 Posted : 31 August 2012 09:11:39(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

If you want a mature H&S organisation you should bench mark its against other similar businesses.

Food Industry average is much less than 5.

These are the comparison stats you asked for http://www.hse.gov.uk/food/202.htm

Steve
Jake  
#7 Posted : 31 August 2012 09:20:25(UTC)
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Jake

Another good resource is the HSE accident data tables:

https://handson.hse.gov.uk/hse/public/home.aspx

This link provides the table for each industry, including yours:

https://handson.hse.gov....ic/tablesimple.aspx?RID3
Canopener  
#8 Posted : 31 August 2012 13:14:31(UTC)
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Canopener

I have never been hugely in favour of trying to use accident and/or RIDDOR stats as a PI or KPI

You are likely to be comparing apples with pears (Chris alludes to this).
Low reporting rates aren't necessarily an indicator of good management of risk
Certain 'zero accident' schemes discourage the reporting of accidents and incidents and massaging of the same

I suggest use with caution!
m  
#9 Posted : 31 August 2012 13:23:36(UTC)
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m

Thanks for your answers. I am not setting or being asked to set RIDDOR targets though I would like to have targets for accidents and near misses; the latter being a considerably higher number in the ideal world. The number 5 was given to me by an H&S consultant who represents our insurance company.

I my previous experience I had 2 RIDDORs in a five year spell. One was a twisted knee whilst getting out of a chair (!!) and the other was a dangerous occurence that I had no influence on.

The HSE figures from the link above give 1404 per 100,000 employees so that is 1.4 per year per 100 which I would think is more realistic than the 5 given.
Bob Shillabeer  
#10 Posted : 31 August 2012 13:31:04(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

I share the concerns of other posters on this issue. Why are you comparing your performance with others? The performance of your company is the only one that matters to you and you should aim for zero accidents even though that may be a utopian target. Why not simply look at your own accident rate and try and improve or maintain it if it is already zero. I think this comparison with other companies is simply a means of saying OK we did cause injuries but don't worry we are better than some others and that OK then. The simple matter is every company should try and get accidents and near misses to as low a level as possible both because of the law and the moral objective.
A Kurdziel  
#11 Posted : 31 August 2012 17:05:41(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I agree with Chris and can-opener, that simply comparing RIDDORS is not a good exercise. We have between 0.5 and 1 per 100 FTE (Full time equivalent) per year. There are so many variables including fluctuation in the number of employees over the year. Almost all of the RIDDORS are 3 day plus. One was caused by visitors being taking to hospital after developing anaphylactic shock due to bee sting (a long story!) and other really obscure things. Riddors are a really poor measure of H&S.
m  
#12 Posted : 31 August 2012 17:26:23(UTC)
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m

Just to make it clear; I am not seeking to compare my organisation with others. A consultant quoted me a figure of an expected 5 RIDDORs per 100 employees per year and I thought that was a bit high - much higher than we have here so I was asking what others experienced.

Thanks for all of your comments and have a good weekend
John J  
#13 Posted : 31 August 2012 17:55:44(UTC)
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John J

Actually comparing your stats against your peer group can be very effective in kick starting your process or getting support of senior management and TU.
For example we were once off the belief that we were doing ok with an average of around 60 LTA accidents for a workforce of 5,000. When we compared ourselves to the Chemical Industries Association league we were 32 out of 33. The sad part was that the last place was our sister company!
It started us on a 20 year journey which has seen a massive reduction in out LTAs.
alexmccreadie13  
#14 Posted : 31 August 2012 18:29:47(UTC)
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alexmccreadie13

How can RIDDOR be used in stats for anything. I possibility don't disagree if it is in manufacturing / processing factory environments.


In Construction we supply Operated Plant.

If one of our Operators slips/trips/falls through bad housekeeping on site and it becomes a reportable we have to report it. WHY?

If it is a reportable incident then the site has to report it.

As this is the case then in my opinion the stats in our industry are meaningless.

Not off on a tangent but as late as yesterday we had an incident on a CPA hire and I was told we had to report it as the PC's company procedures would not allow them to report it as it would look bad for them.

I said no read the regs.

Today I had the Regional Director for the PC telling us we had to report it and ensure our report said we were at fault. I said no again.

Their site their MS their RA's their complete control of our personnel & equipment THEIR incident.

And why all about stats. Sadly some companies will fold and agree to this we don,t.

Not a thread hi-jack it is just an example of how stats can and will in these type of circumstances be mis-leading.

By the way I investigated the Incident ,gave them a report on the incident highlighting the problem areas. Now awaiting a call from the next one up from a Regional Director.
chris.packham  
#15 Posted : 31 August 2012 20:51:18(UTC)
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chris.packham

I treat all such statistics with extreme caution. In my particular field (occupational skin disease) the requirement to report under RIDDOR is on receipt of a diagnosis of occupational contact dermatitis by a registered medical practitioner. Note no time off work is needed. My impression is that in many of the cases I investigate I often find that the medical diagnosis is incorrect and there is no occupational causation. Yet the report will (or in many cases will not) have been made. My impression is that the vast majority of these skin diseases are actually never reported.

The EU Agency for Safety and Health at Work has estimated that occupational skin disease costs the EU annually around Euros 600 million. This was based on a digest of national statistics. The European Dermatology Forum looked at this and considered the Germany reporting system (much more effective than ours) and stated that national statistics probably underestimate the true incidence of occupational skin disease by a factor of between 10 and 50!

Where does this leave RIDDOR statistics?

Chris
John J  
#16 Posted : 31 August 2012 21:39:34(UTC)
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John J

Chris, I think your right in relation to health. I think another problem with health under riddor is that many cases are only diagnosed once a person has left their employment or retired so it doesn't reflect well with the real situation in the workplace.
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