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Paterson20341  
#1 Posted : 13 September 2012 15:46:01(UTC)
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Paterson20341

Hi Guys

I been asked by a client if I can come up with a policy on Arson and Bomb threat for buses. Needing a bit of help on this one. Is there anyone would could point me in the right direction and if have any template they would be willing to share so I can adopt to my client's needs. Don't want to reinvent the wheel. It is intended to role it out by introducing a tool box talk on fire safety.

Thanks for any help

Regards
Robert Paterson
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 13 September 2012 15:55:27(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

For the bomb threat issue I’d contact the local police Counter-Terrorism team. They should be able to provide advice.
Chris Jones  
#3 Posted : 14 September 2012 11:03:47(UTC)
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Chris Jones

As an ex Police POLSA (Police Search Advisor) I would advise that you will require something simple like the police & military actions on a find - 5Cs
Confirm
Clear
Cordon
Control
Check

The first C confirmation is the hardest stage as staff will need to have some training on what an IED may look like however once they have a suspicion that an item is a threat the following four actions are straight forward; clear the area and get behind hard cover, try to impose cordon out to relvant distance (this agin will need some training and guidance), control the cordon - dont let people go back in check that you have done all the above and that you are safe where you are standing. After that its about reporting to the authorities and ensuring that you are available to speak to the cop in charge and the miltary or poice explo officer.

I suspect the most important issue is to assess the threat?
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 14 September 2012 13:12:43(UTC)
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bob youel

The first thing that you have to establish is; what is the real risk of arson and/or bombs in the workplace as on a bus its violence that is the highest risk that staff face and only under certain and very specific circumstances would a bomb be a real consideration. Arson falls somewhere in between but is much more likely than a bomb NB: People may be carrying bombs but they may only be using your bus to get to their target and one accidentally goes off -something that you cannot account for!

If the threats are real note the comments that have already been made and contact other bus companies to establish what they have done
grim72  
#5 Posted : 14 September 2012 15:56:14(UTC)
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grim72

I'd have thought it would be similar to the strategies put in place at railway stations/ airports - regarding luggage left behind etc? Might be worth contacting a local station to discuss?
messyshaw  
#6 Posted : 14 September 2012 23:27:31(UTC)
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messyshaw

As you are considering buses + assuming you mean public transport - the Centre for the Protection of the National Infrastructure (CPNI) can give excellent advice.

'Transport' is covered by their definition of CNI - Critical National Infrastructure, and they have expertise is designing systems to prevent or mitigate bomb threats. I would guess that the buses would need to public transport to qualify as CNI

www.cpni.gov.uk/
teh_boy  
#7 Posted : 26 September 2012 11:10:15(UTC)
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teh_boy

Paterson20341 wrote:
Hi Guys

I been asked by a client

a policy on Arson and Bomb threat for buses.

Regards
Robert Paterson


At point 1) - I hope they aren't paying too much :) - Sorry but as a fellow consultant it worries me to see people posting for help with work they are being paid for... I hate to bring it up and understand we all need help sometimes but if I sent you a policy I had spent time writing and one of my clients had paid alot of money for....


2) - they will be very different - and I would start by looking at what is covered in fire risk assessment - I would consider both of those issues there.

Some excellent advice already listed and I would definitely contact your county Emergency Planning Unit. I would also contact any hi risk sites in your area - most COMAH sites will have procedures (Do you mean procedures or policy by the way?)

On the COMAH sites I worked for bomb threats were treated very differently from fire - if called in they had to be verified and then a search conducted to look for device. When I was involved we were told not to automatically evacuate (as bombs at muster points were common at the time) and that we would have to search our own site!
the reason for that is what does an IED look like and what does a load of random stuff on a chemical plant look like??

So I think the answer is policy =
We will risk assess all fire risks including arson and bomb

Fire risk assessment will determine what we need to do - procedures / training etc

then we need procedures on what to do in the event of above happening and train in these.

hope that helps and sorry for rant - not having a good day :)
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