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David.a.Taylor  
#1 Posted : 04 October 2012 20:06:58(UTC)
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David.a.Taylor

We have a large factory which includes two warehouse sections, an engineering department and the production area.

As soon as you step foot on the factory floor we insist that safety footwear is worn, signs are displayed showing this requirement.

Basically we have about 240 staff on the site and operate three shift system.

A employee came to me today ( I am new to this company) and said that he has been refused replacement footwear as his boots had split. I asked him if he knew why he had been refused (i.e was he given a reason) He was told by HR that it is company policy to only issue safety boots every two years and if he wanted any then he had to pay for them himself.

So armed with this information I went to the head of HR and asked to explain why is this the case, at which I was told that it is company policy and has been for years.

The fact is that we issue boots on a two year renewal basis, but we don't refuse any person who states that their PPE needs replacing.

After a long discussion I had to go to the MD with my concerns. The MD backed me up and asked for the policy to re-written stating it more clearly.

I was a little confused and bemused that HR decided to try and over rule me.

Anyone else had anything like this happen to them
Canopener  
#2 Posted : 04 October 2012 21:04:17(UTC)
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Canopener

The situation regarding the provision and replacement of PPE is very straight forward and the company policy was/is flawed.

It happens! I am sure we have all had occasions where we have had a difference of opinion about how something or other should be done or approached, not just with HR but across 'the piece'. Arguably one of the keys is to ensure that the policy is correct to start with and to help with 'you' should gather information on the legal standards, industry best practice etc, and then consult. As I have said the PPE issue you have raised is very straight forward and this seems to have been recognised by the MD.

Where a company is 'getting it wrong' then part of your job is to guide them in the right direction to get it right. I suggest you don't make it adversarial but rather try to educate, explain, encourage, support etc.
FloorTester  
#3 Posted : 05 October 2012 10:42:17(UTC)
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FloorTester

It's an old chestnut - BUT, PPE footwear is part of the overall picture when it comes to preventing Slip Injuries etc, but not the whole picture. Ask yourself this: If you had the best PPE boots on the market, would you still be fine on an ice-rink??

It's one thing issuing footwear on a regular and documented basis, but are you sure they're wearing them. I see it time and again where staff are issued footwear but stick to the old pair as they're 'nice & comfy'.

Footwear should be issued on an exchange basis, ie, hand the old comfy ones back first !!

As an aside, I had to do a post-slip forensic report for a PI Solicitor at a Staffs Hospital a few months ago. The Head Chef assured me that he had a rigorous footwear policy that definitely included NO TRAINERS. 5 mins later a young chef walked past in trainers - I pointed this out to the chef who questioned him. The lad replied " You don't pay me enough to afford new safety boots" Red faces all around !!

Policy change required I fear....
David68  
#4 Posted : 05 October 2012 11:45:28(UTC)
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David68

Our policy is pretty simple. Safety footwear is mandatory on the factory floor - zero exceptions. I have a Management System document that talks about all PPE that is or could be required in the factory and within it is a period that each item of PPE is expected to last. However, there is also a statement that if any item of PPE is damaged, breaks or simply wears out then it must be replaced irrespective of the length of time it has been in issue. Keeping accurate records of when PPE, particularly footwear, was issued, when it was replaced and why it was replaced has enabled me to identify 2 brands that have not lasted much more than 6-8 months and have led me to source alternatives.

lisar  
#5 Posted : 05 October 2012 11:56:26(UTC)
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lisar

My boss had a rule that if they needed something to cater for foot complaints that they had a £20.00 budget and I had to get authoristion in these cases . They had to put the rest to themselves.

Needless to say I dont knock on the door per case anymore and I cater for the individual at my own discretion and accomodate as best I can
Canopener  
#6 Posted : 05 October 2012 11:57:56(UTC)
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Canopener

Although the original post was using a ‘real’ example of a problem arising out of the issue (or not) of PPE (and the issue here is very straightforward), it seemed to me that that the broader and more important (or interesting) issue was one of the failure to establish appropriate policies that complied with legal standards and/or best practice, and having to deal with the ‘conflict’ that arises when dealing with the difference between what the company policy IS and what the company policy SHOULD be.

Caps used for emphasis
David.a.Taylor  
#7 Posted : 07 October 2012 20:41:17(UTC)
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David.a.Taylor

Canopener I think you hit the nail on the head. I believe the policy/procedure to be unsuitable namely because it is not protecting the individual or the company.

I am currently trying to get this policy re-written, but at the moment I am fighting a losing battle as part of the company is up for sale and I am unsure if I will still have a job come December.

So as for getting the policy re-written I can only try.

Thanks for all the great replies they have all been really helpful
KieranD  
#8 Posted : 08 October 2012 08:37:13(UTC)
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KieranD

David

All relevant research indicates insecurity on the part of the HR professional and an opportunity for you to enable him to manage his insecurity more maturely (and be credited by the MD for your political and social skill).

Shame that, if the company is sold, you may not take the opportunities open to through such a strategy. They may not come so easily after the sale, unless you demonstrate greater resourcefulness in partnering with managers you - and possibly others - with whom you have such difficulties.

What real leaders have relied on merely borrowed status?
NLivesey  
#9 Posted : 08 October 2012 14:57:12(UTC)
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NLivesey

KieranD wrote:
David

All relevant research indicates insecurity on the part of the HR professional and an opportunity for you to enable him to manage his insecurity more maturely (and be credited by the MD for your political and social skill).

Shame that, if the company is sold, you may not take the opportunities open to through such a strategy. They may not come so easily after the sale, unless you demonstrate greater resourcefulness in partnering with managers you - and possibly others - with whom you have such difficulties.

What real leaders have relied on merely borrowed status?

Keiran, three questions...

1 - What relevant research?

2 - How have you determined the HR manager's decision was made as a result of insecurity?

3 - What, in plain speaking terms, are you suggesting david should be doing?

Thanks in advance.
KieranD  
#10 Posted : 09 October 2012 08:55:47(UTC)
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KieranD

Answering your constructive questions in order, Nlivesey

1. What relevant research?

There are numerous citations of research about intergroup conflict in 'The Psychology of Organizations. The Social Identity Approach', S A Haslam, Sage, 2nd edition', 2004, which indicate the differences between resolving challenges (opportunities and problems) through creativity or competitive conflict - chapters 2, 7 and 8 is particularly relevant. The approach is also explained in 'The New Psychology of Leadership. Identity, Influence and Power'. S A Haslam, S D Reicher, M J Platow, Psychology Press, 2011

2 - How have you determined the HR manager's decision was made as a result of insecurity?

On the basis of the information given, David portrayed the decision of the HR Manager as one of blocking purchase without approrpiate detailed examination of relevant data. Within the social identity model of management, it is reasonable to interpret this as protecting an unstable position rather than sharing the leadership task of building relationships with David and the employee to use ££ to safeguard employees within a consistent strategy.

3 - What, in plain speaking terms, are you suggesting david should be doing?

Take the opportunity presented by the difference in beliefs associated with a pair of shoes to raise the profile on safety leadership constructively by

a. Applying the leadership and analytical skills explained in depth in articles such as 'Embedding ergonomics in hospital culture: top-down and bottom-up strategies', Sue Hignett, Applied Ergonomics. 32 (2001) pp. 61-69

b. Showing thoughtful understanding about the lack of the HR profession about safety and health at work - their official training and development programme includes less than 2% subject matter in this area, and even that is optional, as you can check at www.cipd.co.uk

c.aking the time and trouble to persuade and use knowledge based authority instead of relying on coercion - especially in a context where the M.D. and other senior managers are coping with an impending threat to the identity of their organisation - so that OSH is perceived as a source of creativity and innovation under pressure, and a prospective resource for resilience in the coming period of organisational challenge.

Thank you for your thanks in advance
KieranD  
#11 Posted : 09 October 2012 10:22:14(UTC)
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KieranD

Regarding 3 (a), I've just found that this article can be downloaded from through Google:

'A corporate-wide ergonomics programme: implementation and evaluation'. Colin G Drury, Richard L Broderick, Charles H Weidman and Jacqueline L Reynolds Mozrall, Ergonomics 42(1). 1999

Like Sue Hignett's article, it presents a case study with an unusually analytical account of integrated safety/production management, marked by relatively smart problem-solving behaviour.

Very much the kind of rigorously-scientific safety management style that Loftstedt advocated, rather than out-dated resorting to political manoeuvring as a first, rather than a last, resort.
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