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My company are a Consultancy, i am now overseeing all COSHH Assessments, but one thing is bothering me. We are based on the middle floor of an Office building, so people who clean the building are employed through the Landlord. My question is, do i still do COSHH Assessments for the chemicals the cleaners use, bearing in mind they clean after we have left and chemicals are stored on bottom floor?
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emmet wrote:My company are a Consultancy, i am now overseeing all COSHH Assessments, but one thing is bothering me. We are based on the middle floor of an Office building, so people who clean the building are employed through the Landlord. My question is, do i still do COSHH Assessments for the chemicals the cleaners use, bearing in mind they clean after we have left and chemicals are stored on bottom floor? Hi pet, I'm not sure what you mean by doing 'COSHH assessments', or what 'overseeing them' entails. Especially if you don't actually manage any of the cleaning activities. I'd let the landlord deal with that, and get it to tell you about anything your staff need to know.
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meant completing COSHH Risk Assessments, and overseeing them i just mean completing them myself, my wording could be better...yeah it was something i was thinking about, i doubt the landlord has COSHH Assessments, so was unsure should i ask for the Safety Data Sheets and do them anyway to be sure
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emmet wrote:meant completing COSHH Risk Assessments, and overseeing them i just mean completing them myself, my wording could be better...yeah it was something i was thinking about, i doubt the landlord has COSHH Assessments, so was unsure should i ask for the Safety Data Sheets and do them anyway to be sure Honestly, I'd leave that for the landlord and cleaning Co to sort out themselves. Why do you want to get involved?
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I guess I'd like to know if your workers have access to them, or if they are likely to spill or otherwise escape from their containers during the day. If they're in a place where your people can't get hold of them inadvertently and stored so they won't accidentall spill I really wouldn't worry about them. If they aren't so stored, then you might need to consider the chances of an accidental release and what you would do about it,
John
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Well emmet,
Your first posting was at 16.28, your second at 16.54. That might have been sufficient time to have DONE the COSHH assessment, when one considers the risk of exposure to YOUR STAFF (like materials containers left in your part of the building with the tops off, or residues left on floor, in sink etc)
If the cleaning staff are well-trained, their cleaning procedures are good and they follow the procedures, then your controls are already in place.
Ah, of course, it might take the cleaners more than 26 minutes to find their employer's or landlord's procedures, if there are any..... oh.....
OK emmett, as you were :o))
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E Please foregive me if I am wrong in my thoughts but your questions lead me to advise you to take professional advice re the subject as such questions are very basic ones and if U are undertaking risk assessments U need to ensure that U are competent to do so as such assessments can come back and bite U
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E > As a number of the post say, the cleaners are employed by the landlord, the cleaning materials are stored on another floor controlled by lanlord and cleaners.. this is obviously causing you some concern, why not bring up in casual conversation with the landlord. You may be pleasently surprised !!!!
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Emmet wrote:My company are a Consultancy, i am now overseeing all COSHH Assessments, but one thing is bothering me. We are based on the middle floor of an Office building, so people who clean the building are employed through the Landlord. My question is, do i still do COSHH Assessments for the chemicals the cleaners use, bearing in mind they clean after we have left and chemicals are stored on bottom floor? My concern would be what chemicals etc. they use in MY office. Although my staff wouldn't be using or accessing the stuff normally, my concern comes from health risks to MY staff. People have allergies, skin conditions, breathing conditions and I would like to see the CoSHH ASSESSMENTS and not the Data sheet to satisfy myself that the landlord is taking proper measures to protect MY staff. Does any of that make sense??
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I wuld ask to see the landlords COSHH assessment on the substances used by the cleaners and detrmine from there if you and your staff may be affected and take it from there - they should have in their assessments if it is likely to affect others in the building
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duty of care is to your employees, but i agree that a due dilligance check to see that the landlord is doing his part is a requirement. I am in the same position, I annualy check his records not only on coshh but maintinance and all other issues that would affect my company if it was not all in order.
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thanks for replies, i contacted the Landlord and he is getting me the list of chemicals used, will do COSHH assessments for them just to be on the safe side, and incase im asked for them come 'accreditation' time
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emmet wrote:thanks for replies, i contacted the Landlord and he is getting me the list of chemicals used, will do COSHH assessments for them just to be on the safe side, and incase im asked for them come 'accreditation' time See above CoSHH is namely about 'use' of the chemical - agreed storgae should be considered but that is outside of your control by the sounds of things. If I was to do a CoSHH assessment - my first action would be to look at alternative cleaning products. I'd then go back to the cleaner and demand that they change all their chemicals for some nice expensive organic vegetable based ones. I'd also request they bought some hitech cleaning devices that limited the need to use cleaning products. Oh and i'd insist all their staff had EVERY occ health test going - again at great unnecessary expense to them :) It's not your duty to manage this risk... now it IS your duty to co-operate with the contractor and ensure that your staff are adequately protected. But as stated above i would go back to landlord ref; this. I assume you don't have the power to change the cleaning contractor or the way the work? if not what's the point of the risk assessment??? I suppose you could decide that when they are cleaning you will all leave the office, or that your staff need some training - but really this should be decided in the cleaning company's assessments....
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Emmet: There is no meaningful method or purpose in you undertaking risk assessments for someone else here. This is not part of your undertaking. The duty rests with the Landlord, or the cleaning company if this is a contracted service. In other respects: Office-based consultancy...............hazardous substances? Really?
Nothing wrong with conducting regular workplace safety inspections, taking in potential shared issues such as fire safety, first aid, safe storage, etc. There are numerous free low-risk environment checklists on the www. for that.
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