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simplesafety  
#1 Posted : 17 October 2012 16:54:03(UTC)
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simplesafety

Hi All

I’m fairly new to safety with 1 year under my belt, I hold an advisor role for a manufacturing company.

In the company I work for, it is the production managers (all IOSH managing safety trained) responsibility to write the risk assessments, SWP's, CoSHH etc for their own departments. These are then sent to the H&S department for approval and most of the time tweaking.

The reason for this is that we are a large manufacturing site with warehousing and logistics, with many specialist skills and processors. So we encourage the managers as the experts in their own field to take ownership and responsibility to write these documents. The H&S dept then reviews, views the process and adds their view to the record before it is finally issued to our system.

My question is.... is this the norm? Other job I have seen seem to suggest that the H&S Dept are soley responsible for the RA's and SWP's- leaving little responsibility to production / managers of the staff ??

I always try to get involved with all the processors with the managers, but how does this work in other organisations?

I look forward to your input

Thanks, Adam
Mr.Flibble  
#2 Posted : 17 October 2012 17:13:35(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Adam

You have found the holy grail of H&S Management system in practice! That is how it should be the Managers owning and managing the process and coming to yourself for advice or to review what they have done!

I can only dream of that scenario! Don't change it, encourage and support it!!
Steve W1  
#3 Posted : 17 October 2012 17:29:24(UTC)
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Steve W1

Hi Adam
I am the health and safety manager for a large manufacturing company. There was a time when it was my sole responsibility to compile all the risk assessments, safety procedures etc. and also review and update all the H&S management systems. It soon became apparent to me that this workload was to much for one person. I have set up and now run and monitor the system by the use of small teams that have other responsibilities within the company. Such as a risk assessment team, a H&S auditing team etc. There is nothing wrong in doing this as long as you use trained and component staff, this may mean mentoring or arranging relevant courses for them. I would love to have a full time H&S department but in some companies this is not possible because of various reasons.
I think that the key word here is competent staff, as health and safety manager within my company I feel that this is part of my responsibility to made sure that anyone doing any H&S work is indeed competent and fully trained to fulfill the H&S role delegated to them.

Hope this helps

Steve W
Kate  
#4 Posted : 18 October 2012 09:01:10(UTC)
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Kate

I agree with Mr Flibble. It may not be the norm, but it is the ideal. I've worked in organisations (manufacturing) that go some way towards this (with many RAs being done departmentally), but not as far as Adam's organisation has achieved.
A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 18 October 2012 09:27:42(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

As people have said this is an ideal system. H&S policies and procedures should be embedded at the local level and it is common practice in all but the smallest employers for the local operational staff to be responsible for writing RA’s, SOPs etc. After all are you an expert in everything that happens on your site(s)? Could you tell any operator what they should be doing to ensure their H&S? In my organisation I certainly couldn’t. My job is more strategic and advisory. Key things are auditing and investigating incidents. Basically this consists of asking the daft questions that the local staff might have forgotten to ask but I leave the clever stuff to them.
damelcfc  
#6 Posted : 18 October 2012 10:12:27(UTC)
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damelcfc

Nice system in place there.
I would provide the tools to be able to perform the tasks (If you do not already) for example the risk assessment format and methodology and the SOP format and allow the areas to complete them - passing by yourself for review.
The two go hand in hand - you cannot write a SSOW without completing a risk assessment first.

A point to always remember is to revisit the SOP's and R/A's after a major change, an incident or defined period of time.

Your first line managers should be doing this also as par for the course.

All the above refers to the general risk assessments btw, if the general assessments identify specific issues requiring a more in depth assessment - for example manual handling, DSEAR, DSE etc then a seperate assessment should be completed by a competent person, usually with a different pro-forma, this can either be done in-house by a trained person/specialist or a consultant specialist - depends on your skillset both personal and the wider site to know which path to take.
JohnW  
#7 Posted : 18 October 2012 10:32:10(UTC)
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JohnW

Adam, I agree with others here, your system is good; competent supervisors taking ownership of risk assessments is ideal. As a consultant I try and create a similar system at customers.

As damelcfc says, there should be a review system, in the event of process changes, incidents etc, and annually (or every 9 months which I encourage, or more frequent if there are still highish risks) and as a consultant my aim is to ensure the reviews are done.

I participate in the reviews with input on regulations and best practices, PPE choices, incident investigations, training suggestions etc and, as damelcfc indicated, ensure other appropriate assessments are documented like COSHH, LOLER and proper Work at Height assessments.

Keep it up!

JohnW
roshqse  
#8 Posted : 18 October 2012 12:11:45(UTC)
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roshqse

YOU LUCKY, LUCKY SWINE!

That is what I am slowly (oh so slowly...) heading towards in our engineering company.
The last HSE manager was expected to write MS and RA for highly technical operations. I said no!

As a non engineer how on earth can I write a suitable, sufficient and appropriate MS or RA for something I know nothing about?

I can do the CoSHH and the regular working statements , such as working at heights, man. handling etc., but that's where I stop.

TSC  
#9 Posted : 18 October 2012 12:25:11(UTC)
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TSC

You have the perfect scenario, at my alst employer supervisors and team leaders completed them and managers approved them which was excellent. New company not the same at the moment with my small H&S team doing everything for them.

However, I have rewritten the policy and arrangements and the new role will be managers or team leaders to do this and then have an approval system by either a member of my team and I or indeed a line manager.

Ownership is the key to safety and the H&S team support, educate and guide. I see my new vision taking 3 years to fully embed into the business so don't knock what you have.

KAJ Safe  
#10 Posted : 18 October 2012 13:22:32(UTC)
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KAJ Safe

Where is this land of Utopia that our new collegue speaks of. Is it next to the Willy Wonker factory.
I would try to get involved, even if was to broaden your knowledge base.
m  
#11 Posted : 18 October 2012 13:38:35(UTC)
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m

As the kids would say these days: 'result!'
malcarleton  
#12 Posted : 18 October 2012 19:15:07(UTC)
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malcarleton

your spot on Aleeman, in my company, the managers own the risk, they are the guys who understand it best, if they don,t they are in the wrong job. It took a couple of years and a lot of verbal abuse before I got our management to accept their responsibilities, I even had a manager suggest that the manning in the safety department be reviewed because I had told him that he was the responsible person for the management of hazards in his area of the business. Which could have been fun, my team consists of me.
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