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hopeful  
#1 Posted : 22 October 2012 13:51:57(UTC)
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hopeful

I am currently looking at the checks we undertake on our drivers within the company. Managers were previously asked to check licences and insurance on an annual basis but this stopped recently. We have some pool van drivers but the majority of people use their own cars. What do other people do, what training and information do you give to undertake the checks and how is this monitored?
Thanks in advance
Rob M  
#2 Posted : 22 October 2012 14:04:01(UTC)
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Rob M

if you pm me your email i will send you what iv done
rhoecus  
#3 Posted : 29 October 2012 16:45:32(UTC)
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rhoecus

Hopeful,

Drivers of vehicles where I have previously worked MUST have their licences checked every 3 months & NOT annually.

They must be checked, copied & the copy signed by the competent person (usually the CPC holder). This standard was issued even to car drivers (their own being used for company business or pool cars).

If the licences are checked annually how do they know if a certain person hasn't been speeding etc & gained more points than your insurance company will allow. If they had then they would be driving illegally (i.e. no insurance) & is they were to have an accident.....
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 29 October 2012 19:24:38(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Interesting. In the context of Data Protection, what possible reason do you have to take and retain a copy of MY driving licence? I think not!
Points are irrelevant. A valid licence is a valid licence, end of.
johnmurray  
#5 Posted : 29 October 2012 20:04:35(UTC)
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johnmurray

It's not your driving licence.
Check the detail: It is ISSUED to you but remains the property of the Driver and Vehicle Licencing Agency, to be returned upon death, revocation or disqualification.
Check it out.
To get a job today you need a photo licence and a passport.
I agency for work, and I need to show BOTH to the client (sometimes even a utility bill !)
I agree with you on your dp point....but so much of company data is treated with disregard that a minor point about a licence is not worth arguing over.
I know of, and worked for one, where medical surveillance files were an open book to anyone in the office, even the cleaner.
Others keep completed accident books, with no removal of personal data, with data openly readable for the next users.
Data protection; one of working lifes hilarious intervals.
You stand up for yourself. I'll keep working.
smith6720  
#6 Posted : 29 October 2012 20:23:00(UTC)
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smith6720

If the licences are checked annually how do they know if a certain person hasn't been speeding etc & gained more points than your insurance company will allow. If they had then they would be driving illegally (i.e. no insurance) & is they were to have an accident.....


How do you know they have noty gained more points over the period of 1 day,1 week,1 month etc etc .

I would say that it will be covered in your terms and conditions/driver policy, that at a period specified from the company you must produce your licence for records, and you will find that it is the responsibilty of the individual to report to HR if they receive any points or driving offences, in between checks.
johnmurray  
#7 Posted : 29 October 2012 23:03:59(UTC)
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johnmurray

And how many have checked that the immigrant labour they "employ" actually have UK legal driving licences ?
I only mention this because of lot of agency drivers are foreign..
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 30 October 2012 11:47:14(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

JohnMurray wrote:
It's not your driving licence.
Data protection; one of working lifes hilarious intervals.
You stand up for yourself. I'll keep working.


Fair enough John. It isn't my employer's licence either - he has no need to take a copy of it.
I do have a 'thing' about abuse of Data Protection Legislation.

My rant was more about the overly bureaucratic approach taken by some. In the context of due diligence, things are often done that are wholly disproportionate - something we all need to guard and advise against.
smith6720  
#9 Posted : 30 October 2012 12:01:18(UTC)
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smith6720

To be honest why would you object to your employer,either checking or photocopying your licence, I dont think there is anything on there that they dont already know???. is there something wrong with your company data protection procedure?

I do agree that some people/companies pay lip service to data protection.
L McCartney  
#10 Posted : 30 October 2012 12:22:34(UTC)
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L McCartney

we do annual checks on MOT, Insurance and licence and same form has a declaration that they will keep their vehicle roadworthy as per Road traffic Act.

We keep copies as evidence in case of any incidents.

Our mileage expenses sheet has at bottom a declaration that nothing has changed since the last annual check e.g. points on licence, new car therefore new docs etc..
Policy has all the points explained and guidance ot he policy has info on checking tyres etc.
We don't actually physically check that people are doing the vehicle checks.
Lilian
NickH  
#11 Posted : 30 October 2012 12:37:22(UTC)
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NickH

With regard to licence checks, if your fleet (be it traditional fleet or grey fleet) is large enough, why not employ the services of a third party company to check/ provide feedback?

Once a data protection mandate has been signed by the driver and returned to the third party company, they set up a check system with the DVLA. They then get notifications should a driver accrue any penalty points, and inform the relevant person within the company (i.e. fleet manager/ HR manager) accordingly.
Ron Hunter  
#12 Posted : 30 October 2012 13:46:29(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

smith6720 wrote:
To be honest why would you object to your employer,either checking or photocopying your licence, I dont think there is anything on there that they dont already know???. is there something wrong with your company data protection procedure?

I do agree that some people/companies pay lip service to data protection.


There have been enough stories involving larger agencies and government body organisations where personal information has ended up in supermarket bins, blowing down the street, etc.
Identity theft is a real and serious issue. You might hazard a guess at the type of Organisation I work for.
Olga777  
#13 Posted : 30 October 2012 23:36:38(UTC)
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Olga777

JohnMurray wrote:
And how many have checked that the immigrant labour they "employ" actually have UK legal driving licences ?
I only mention this because of lot of agency drivers are foreign..




Quite a few foreign licences valid for 1 year, then drivers have to obtain UK licence
johnmurray  
#14 Posted : 30 October 2012 23:46:52(UTC)
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johnmurray

Quite.
Good luck with that one.
The police are having no luck sorting it out, and some people have been here years and still drive on their home licence.
sdkirby  
#15 Posted : 31 October 2012 15:26:01(UTC)
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sdkirby

Good afternoon all,

We used to just take a copy of each new driver's licence, but after a couple of instances where only the photocard was produced (i.e. no paper part so points/endorsements information) and where drivers clocked up 3 points (speeding & mobile phone) after we'd copied their 'clean' licence we changed tack.

We now ask each driver to sign a 3-year mandate which allows us, via a 3rd party company (as mentioned above at post #11), to check their licence as often as we deem necessary. The checking frequency can be altered to suit each driver and is generally set to automatically re-check every 12 months for drivers with 0 points, every 6 months for drivers with 6 points etc. etc.

We have found this to be very important as:
1. It is a requirement of our motor insurers to inform them of drivers points AND endorsements such as DR10
2. Don't forget new drivers only need to clock up 6 points in 2 years to lose their licence (this could happen quite easily!)

Hope this helps the OP
ctd167  
#16 Posted : 31 October 2012 15:38:57(UTC)
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ctd167

Only applicable for drivers of company vehicles or those driving on company business surely.
If you use your own car to get to work, dont use it for business activities, dont drive a company car/leased/ or hired, then the company has no right to request sight of your licence.
johnmurray  
#17 Posted : 31 October 2012 22:07:16(UTC)
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johnmurray

The photo licence, and part two, is frequently used as both ID and to see if the carrier is entitled to work in the UK.
All your company needs is your driver number (the part featuring several letters of your surname and you birthdate) plus the drivers consent, and they can purchase your licence detail from DVLA.
The company can even buy ad-hoc software to do it themselves.
You may even be required to drive machinery on the road....other than your car.
Oh, and an insurers check on drivers revealed that most drivers driving their own vehicle for business had not declared such to their insurer. Bad move.
Even if you carry tools to-and-from work you MAY need to alter your insurance.
rhoecus  
#18 Posted : 01 November 2012 05:34:14(UTC)
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rhoecus

to CTD167 & others

I agree with your point that if you DONT drive company vehicles then you dont need to show your licence. There's no point.
However if you DO then some of the points raised above are valid I think.

Companies for which I've worked do similar to what sdkirkby has stated and upon signing their contract there is a clause which states that they can check their licences at ANY time. This being said, the regualr checks should be sufficient.

If persons driving vehicles for company use then this is very important. Data Potection is a headache but if you have systems in place for only select people within your organsiation to be able to view your licence then no worries.

VOSA is very keen on these points (I'm mainly speaking from a goods vehicle O Licence stance). If your unfortunate enough to get an inspection from them & found to be in breaches then you could appear on their website & the Department for Transports website.

Good luck in whatever decision you make hopeful.
David Bannister  
#19 Posted : 01 November 2012 11:54:12(UTC)
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David Bannister

The OP asked about checks on drivers, not only their licences. I would hope that responsible employers would be keeping track of a lot more, such as vehicle damage, customer feedback, colleague feedback, maintenance work done, workloads, changes in behaviour patterns etc.

And what do employers do when they discover drivers racking up points? A factory worker would probably be disciplined for repeated misuse of equipment; if your drivers obviously misuse your vehicles (or their own, whilst working) by say being repeatedly caught for traffic offences, what actions are taken?
Ron Hunter  
#20 Posted : 01 November 2012 13:03:19(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

JohnMurray wrote:

The company can even buy ad-hoc software to do it themselves.


Have you any pointers you could provide here about this software John? Or are you talking about licensed direct access to the 3rd party/DVLA information?

pm me if you wish.

Thanks in advance.
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