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Muiryden  
#1 Posted : 22 October 2012 16:58:07(UTC)
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Muiryden

Our "in house" maintenance department will refurbish some large steel ovens used in our production hall (no contractors). This will take more than 500 man hours. Does this activity fall under CDM?

Many thanks
Blackwell31768  
#2 Posted : 22 October 2012 17:44:21(UTC)
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Blackwell31768

Hi,

Before we go any further did you mean 500 person days?
Clairel  
#3 Posted : 22 October 2012 18:07:57(UTC)
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Clairel

Before we go any further......nice avatar muiryden!!

CDM does not apply to maintenance unless the following:

"general maintenance of fixed plant, except when this is done as part of other construction work, or it involves substantial dismantling or alteration of fixed plant which is large enough to be a structure in its own right, for example structural alteration of a large silo; complex chemical plant; power station generator or large boiler"

So unless you are doing SUBSTANTIAL ALTERATIONS I would say CDM does not apply and therefore whether it is notifable or not is irrelevant.

smith6720  
#4 Posted : 22 October 2012 18:35:20(UTC)
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smith6720

Sorry Claire disagree > the post ask does the activity fall with CDM? and not whether it is reportable, and he is not maintaining the oven they are refurbishing, which could mean anything:

CDM is applicable to all construction work, as you know certain parts place additional duties,
In my opinion this is all down to definition of constuction!! just my opinion.

construction work definition includes:

● The construction, alteration, conversion, fitting out, commissioning,
renovation, repair, upkeep, redecoration or other maintenance (including
cleaning which involves the use of water or an abrasive at high pressure or
the use of substances classified as corrosive or toxic) de-commissioning,
demolition or dismantling of a structure.
● The preparation for an intended structure, including site clearance, exploration,
investigation (but not site survey), excavation, laying and installing
the foundations of the structure.
● The assembly on site of pre-fabricated elements to form a structure or the
disassembly on site of pre-fabricated elements which immediately before
such disassembly formed a structure.
● The removal of a structure or part of a structure or any product or waste
resulting from demolition or dismantling of a structure or from the disassembly
of pre-fabricated elements which, immediately before disassembly,
formed a structure.
● The installation, commissioning, maintenance repair or removal of mechanical,
electrical, gas, compressed air, hydraulic, telecommunications, computer
or similar services which are normally fixed within or to a structure.


As post above say's more than 500 person days? > part 3

Regards


Muiryden  
#5 Posted : 23 October 2012 09:30:31(UTC)
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Muiryden

Apologies for slip, indeed I meant 500 PERSON DAYS! Thanks for the replies, definition of "Construction" is the key, but the underlying principal of CDM is definition of responsibilities and communication between parties. I will think on.
Maverick1968  
#6 Posted : 23 October 2012 10:10:25(UTC)
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Maverick1968

In my humble opinion the application of CDM regs to your project would not be detrimental. If you treat the project as a CDM project and appoint the relevant required personnel from within your organisation (if qualified through competence or training of course) then you can be satisfied that you are taking all reasonable steps to ensure the health, safety and wellbeing of all parties from a moral and legal standpoint. Just a thought.
Victor Meldrew  
#7 Posted : 23 October 2012 14:33:07(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

Totally agree with Maverick1968 - the principles of CDM2007 should be applied to all construction projects, even if not notifiable.
Clairel  
#8 Posted : 23 October 2012 15:30:22(UTC)
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Clairel

Victor Meldrew wrote:
Totally agree with Maverick1968 - the principles of CDM2007 should be applied to all construction projects, even if not notifiable.


But the notifiable bit is a red herring if it's not actually a 'construction' project, which IMO it's not. That's doesn't mean that equal safety standards wouldn't be applied to the project though.
Victor Meldrew  
#9 Posted : 24 October 2012 22:11:07(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

Agree Clairel..... but in my experience I have found that the standards applied in the majority of projects that are not notifiable, fall somewhat short of CDM2007.
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