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I was at a course in the HSL building and they have a large poster of an electron micrograph of asbestos fibres with the following words:
"Every week, 30 tradesmen die from asbestos related disease. Exposure often came from inadvertent disturbance of asbestos materials in buildings during routine maintenance"
Does this meant that in the late 80s and early 90s, young tradesmen were being exposed during building work and they are now dying?
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redken wrote:I was at a course in the HSL building and they have a large poster of an electron micrograph of asbestos fibres with the following words:
"Every week, 30 tradesmen die from asbestos related disease. Exposure often came from inadvertent disturbance of asbestos materials in buildings during routine maintenance"
Does this meant that in the late 80s and early 90s, young tradesmen were being exposed during building work and they are now dying?
Yes and this will continue until 2020/5 when it should begin to drop off
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John J wrote:
Yes and this will continue until 2020/5 when it should begin to drop off
Arguable.
Over the last 10/ 15 years we have imported labour to the UK construction industry from all over Europe, who have settled here. We have no idea of exposure suffered prior to immigration.
We have no records of employment, we have no records of training and we have no way of proving that exposure happened in their native land.
My estimate for the signs of decline is around 2040.
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Though there’s always scope for debate about actual numbers, the overall picture of asbestos-related deaths involving trades people is presumably based on information from various sources including coroners, doctors working with asbestos disease patients, campaign/support groups, trade associations and trades unions. The numbers quoted might be under-estimates because some cases may be masked by other serious medical conditions, especially in older people. Also, in some cases there can be uncertainty as to whether asbestos has actually caused a death or not. An example of this was shown during an episode of the TV documentary series “Death Unexplained” on BBC1 earlier this year. It included a pathologist carrying out a microscopic examination of tissue samples taken as part of a post-mortem investigation from a man believed to have had significant exposure to asbestos during his working life. However, the pathologist could not find a sufficient number/density of asbestos fibres to be able to tell the coroner that death was undoubtedly caused by asbestos.
A major problem with asbestos deaths is that they comprise individual cases occurring over time in different parts of the UK and therefore get negligible publicity. If they were to occur at one time and in one place they would receive massive media publicity, just as major disasters with multiple fatalities do, and provoke an understandable public outcry. Sadly however, in most cases, an asbestos death tends to be covered by no more than a brief report in a local paper if a reporter happens to be in court for the inquest.
The UK has vast numbers of building, domestic and non-domestic, built or modified before the year 2000 which contain asbestos materials. Therefore, though it is to be hoped that HSE’s “Hidden Killer” campaign will be effective in raising awareness about the risks from such materials, it is probable that significant numbers of trades people will continue to be exposed to asbestos during their work over the coming years.
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RedKen
To answer your question - yes and no..... I suggest that there will be a limited number of people exposed in the 80's and 90's dying but given the latent period which seems to range from 9 to 70 years we probably are not seeing to a great extent the effects of their exposure yet. The lady who died from mesothaelioma from going to school ( Willmore v Knowsley BC) went to a new build school mid 1970's and she died in 2010 or 11 - her latent period was between 25 and 30 years. There is one school of thought that she is is just the tip of the iceberg... lets hope they are wrong?
HSL and others struggle with this as and the errror bars on the epidimiological studies are normally quite large. It is my understanding that we know most meso deaths as it is so horrible that it gets diagnosed but the other deaths are often calculated on a ratio. I have seen 1 meso: 1.5 -2.8 approx range as the system does not always manage to diagnose or record for example all asbestos related lung cancers and so different studies and views have different multiplicants
The current forecast for peak "death" keeps moving backwards and this probably as the end result that the end of the epidemic is still a long way off - hence the duty to manage....!
Kind regards
Bruce
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TFCSM made an interesting point about construction workers coming to the UK from various parts of Europe. As some or many of those parts have buildings with considerable asbestos content, including roof and external wall cladding tiles, it’s quite likely that some workers from those parts will have had significant occupational and/or environmental asbestos exposure before coming to the UK.
According to magazine articles I've seen, plus observations during a longish holiday in Eastern Europe in 1994, it seems that asbestos materials were very commonly used for various post-WW2 buildings in countries such as East Germany and Poland during their decades of Communist rule.
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The latest replies have moved away from what was the original question.
However the comments will be of interest.
One reason that the number of "asbestos related deaths" rising is the fact that the authorities are now actively searching for them.
I know of a man who died at the age of 81.
He had worked in a shipyard as a Joiner for thirty years in a town that has the second highest rate of asbestos related deaths in the country.
Seven years before his death he had been diagnosed as having a tumour on one of his lungs, that was treated with radio-therapy.
For the above reasons his medical records were marked "possibly asbestos related", which meant that upon his death, the Coroner was informed, a post mortem examination carried out and an inquest held.
Conclusion of the inquest, asbestos related death.
Rodger Ker
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I'm a pipe fitter welder by trade and was exposed to ACM's in the 70s and 80s.
My last possible exposure was probably around 25 years ago but somewhere in the future, this exposure could come back and bite me.
I'm 58 and i know a hell of a lot of ex colleagues, plumbers, electricians, pipe fitters etc who have died from their exposure.
I even had an uncle who died from it, 50 years after his last exposure so given industry didnt really get a grip of the problem till the early 90s, and with a possible incubation period of say 40 years, we wont see deaths falling off until at least 2020.
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