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sean  
#1 Posted : 25 October 2012 09:24:16(UTC)
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I have been told that under the H&SAW act 1974 that a H&S consultant not an employee of the company can be nominated as the "competent person" to oversee H&S and act on the companies behalf in this role? Is this true?
JJ Prendergast  
#2 Posted : 25 October 2012 09:32:05(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

The consultant would be appointed under the Managament of health and safety Regulations, not the Health and Safety at Work Act.

Although the MHSWR Regs are made under the HASWA Act.
KieranD  
#3 Posted : 25 October 2012 09:35:38(UTC)
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KieranD

Sean

Management in an employing organisation remains responsible for safety and health of the employees, whoever is nominated or appointed as 'competent' to advise or 'oversee' this area of organisational behaviour.

It also remains a responsibility of management to determine how the level of 'competence' of one or more advisers is suitable and sufficient in relation to the nature of the risks involved.

While such matching can be relatively easily established in many technical areas, appropriate matching becomes more difficult in areas involving psychological risks such as bullying, harassment and work-related stress.
chris.packham  
#4 Posted : 25 October 2012 10:14:46(UTC)
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chris.packham

I would suggest that it depends upon who has the executive authority. If the H&S consultant can only advise and it is up to the relevant manager in the organisation to decide what action to take, then the responsibility rests with that manager. I have yet to encounter a situation where, as a consultant, I was in a position to actually make the executive decision, e.g. to change the process or order a particular item of equipment. I would be interested to know whether anyone else has ever, as a consultant, been in an executive situation.
Kate  
#5 Posted : 25 October 2012 10:16:08(UTC)
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Kate

Yes, a consultant can be appointed to this role. There is guidance (under the Management Regulations) that it's usually better to appoint an employee where this is practical, but it's recognised that this isn't always practical (particularly for small companies).
David Bannister  
#6 Posted : 25 October 2012 10:19:28(UTC)
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David Bannister

Sean, I advise my clients. I claim to be competent (not tested in court) and my clients choose to accept or reject my advice and whether to follow my recommendations. Some clients rely on me very heavily for much of their specific H&S input, other choose to use my services to fill a gap in their own internal resources. Thus I am their "competent person" for some activities.

In every case, my client remains responsible for the H&S of their activities and accountable to the Authorities for failures. If my advice is incorrect, I too will be accountable.

This works in a similar way to accountants who are contracted to advise, although a director has to sign the accounts. They may rely very heavilly on the advice but retain overall responsibility and accountability.
Zyggy  
#7 Posted : 25 October 2012 10:42:21(UTC)
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Zyggy

I am with Kate & David on this as I act as the "competent person" for one of my clients.

Interesting comment from David regarding this being tested in Court as in my case it was tested in the Crown Court where I was acting as an expert witness for the defence & the prosecuting barrister was trying to criticise my evidence & competency. The Judge stopped proceedings & declared that my evidence was eminently competent!! I must get hold of the transcript!!!
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 25 October 2012 11:31:37(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Sean,

Nearly every organisation in the UK engages the services of external competent persons, particularly for the more specialist areas (Occ. Hygiene, Occ. Health, etc.)
We need to be careful of terms here. I wouldn't suggest that "oversee H&S and act on the companies behalf" id entirely accurate - as others say managers have the legal duty to manage, but competent persons are legally accountable for their acts and omissions.
Ron Hunter  
#9 Posted : 25 October 2012 13:22:41(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Oops! "id" should read "isn't"!
Phil Grace  
#10 Posted : 25 October 2012 14:00:35(UTC)
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Phil Grace

Sean,
You have been mis-informed. Just type "Competent Person" into the HSE website search information. Or go here:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/bu...ess/competent-advice.htm

As several posters have pointed out the competent person can be either an employee or an external adviser. Indeed the link above states it could be "yourself" i.e. the duty holder, the employer.

The crucial test is whether the person is competent... that has sufficient technical knowledge and practical expertise/experience.... of risk management, the trade or business occupation etc etc.
Phil
Canopener  
#11 Posted : 25 October 2012 18:55:17(UTC)
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Canopener

You haven't been that misinformed, other than this is covered under reg 7 of the 'management' regs (as opposed to HASAWA) http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l21.pdf and if you look at para 48 you will find your answer.

Either an employee(s) or a consultant(s) or a combination of both can be appointed.
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