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I wonder if colleagues could provide some clarity for me around appointments and qualifications for electrical working, perhaps those from an FM background may have a view.
In some circumstances, an Authorising Engineer (AE) is required and needs to be appointed to authorise and control electrical work in LV and HV situations. This supplemented by Authorised Persons (AP) and Competent Persons (CP).
It is my understanding that this formal appointment situation is only required where such work takes place within a Health Care setting and is required by relevant Health Technical Memorandum's (HTM's).
My question is two fold, firstly, am I correct in the above assumption or would a similar formal appointment situation be required in other sectors such as education. Secondly, where a formal appointment/control situation such as that described above is not required, what processes should be in place to ensure electrical works are undertaken safely?
I am in no way attempting to claim competence in electrical safety arrangements or trying to influence those who are, with whom I come into contact with, I am simply trying to understand how this fits into electrical safety generally. I hope someone out there can clarify this for me or point me to the relevant information source as I find I'm tying myself in knots with this!
Many thanks.
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As no one has responded yet I thought I would get the ball rolling but doubt I can answer all your questions thoroughly. First, it depends what tasks the electricians are doing with regards to qualifications which will be needed. There are a number of different qualifications for electrical work and isolations. Some clients will dictate which qualifications, permits and formal appointments are put in place to work on their infrastructure, or indeed PCs may set the standards. I am not aware of an industry standard per se for all electrical work such is the diversity of electrical installations, repairs and maintenance.
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Depends on what you want to achieve i suppose.
My last firm i was a senior auth person. I issued permits and carried out isolation and switching, our sub contractor electricians were not able to do this.
Permit to enter
Permit to test
General permit towork
Permit to work lv
Permit to work hv
Hot works
Lots of sparks standing about waiting for me, but as its all explained during the tender process !
Are you prepared to do this?
If not dont go down this route.
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Thanks Ray and Tony for responding.
I seem to be reaching a conclusion that the only work sector that absolutely requires the formal appointment of AE, AP and CP is in NHS Trusts that operate to HTM's.
All other industry does not absolutely require this management chain to be in place but might put it in place to control works and demonstrate management. In such circumstances, simply being compliant with the EAW Regs etc is all that is absolutely needed?
Please feel free to correct me if I've missed the point here!
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Process critical industries tend to operate ap schemes etc.
Wouldnt want to be accidently shutting down water treatment works,mchemicalworks offshore platforms, all my previuos industries all had ap,ae cp etc.
What sort of environment are we discussing, feel free to pm
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