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EyeSee  
#1 Posted : 20 November 2012 14:15:19(UTC)
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EyeSee

We're a construction company working as a subcontractor for a Major (Main) Contractor. We have a H&S policy.

We're looking at employing a subcontractor to ourselves (The Main Contractor is happy with this), who has passed all our SHEQ assessments etc, apart from the fact he says his company only has 3 people employed, and in fact the 14 operatives he'll be employing are subcontracted to him.

I've asked him for his H&S policy and he says as he has less than 5 people etc, nothing is written.

Should he have a policy, and if I need to see it, do I then ask the sub-sub contractor direct?

Cheers all :)
Alan Armer  
#2 Posted : 20 November 2012 14:38:00(UTC)
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Alan Armer

A business having a total of 5 or less staff - including the management/owner does not legally require a written H&S policy. So on face value he doesn’t need one. However, he is employing others by sub-contract to work on his behalf so this depends on the mechanism he uses to contract them. If they are agency staff then they are classed as being employed by him, on the other hand if they are sub-contracted from another organisation then he doesn't employ them so he won't need a written policy.

However, if they are all sub-contracted (i.e. not via an agency) from one single organisation then that source will need a written policy - if that's the case you could ask for the policy from them via your contractor.

That's how I understand it - over to the forum....happy to be corrected!!
redken  
#3 Posted : 20 November 2012 16:20:38(UTC)
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redken

If I was the main contactor I would be worried that I have 14 sub/sub/sub contractors working on my project
JohnW  
#4 Posted : 20 November 2012 18:19:20(UTC)
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JohnW

OK, very small companies, not a legal requirement to have written policy and risk assessments, but a main contractor can demand subbies to have a written policy and to have written risk assessments as part of the tender for business. No written safe system of work, then no contract, no work.

I have advised many roof contractors, pipe fitters, bricklayers etc who are just two-man businesses, I've helped them prepare policies and RA's, work at height method statements etc etc. Without these systems in place, and in writing, they would not get much business with bigger building contractors, NHS, etc.

So Eyesee, if you want safe contractors then only use those who have made an effort and can demonstrate that they have safe systems of work, in writing, and in practice they can work to new written method statements for every new job.

JohnW
paul reynolds  
#5 Posted : 20 November 2012 19:04:16(UTC)
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paul reynolds

We have the same situation with some of the smaller sub contractors we use. I tend to ask them that if they are then using a sole trader, how do they check their competence and with some guidance we have a form t hat they can adopt to cover the basic requirements ie do they hold a CSCS card appropriate to their trade, insurance and if they do not have a written policy and safe systems of work they agree to work to the policy and any SSW that have been written by the sub contractor they are working for.

I understand that this will require the sub contractor to have a written policy etc but there has got to a point where someone we are using takes the responsibility and so far it seems to work.

Regards

PaulR
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