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So, FFI's been in place forover 6 weeks nnow. Has anyone got any examples of FFI being used against companies?
Looking for examples of types of business (obviously not asking for the name of the company), what they were issued a 'fee' for and how much that 'fee' was.
Anyone??
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Claire
I have recently been the recipient of a safety alert where I am sure a site supervisor has been charged by a HSE inspector following a serious accident. I don't have it to hand but I was mightily surprised that FFI was being extended to individuals. I could have misread it or got it confused with another safety alert - they are ubiquitous.
I will check out the alert and provide some more details.
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Bricklayer undertaking 2 small cuts on a lintol - no RPE no dust suppression = notice served on the bricklaying company not heard yet as to how much its gonna cost them. will update once i get the information. No fees served on Principle Contractor.
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Nothing yet - this question is being ask in many areas, it’s a hot topic - so I expect info to come very soon.
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accident investigation but done very fairly - man squashed behind digger at waste transfer station
and not sure if it is the same one that Ray is talking about....
supervisor / chargehand / foreman on a construction site - all had training and relevant kit for silica dust suppression and it was not being used - supervisor was sent the bill.
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Bruce Sutherland wrote:accident investigation but done very fairly - man squashed behind digger at waste transfer station
and not sure if it is the same one that Ray is talking about....
supervisor / chargehand / foreman on a construction site - all had training and relevant kit for silica dust suppression and it was not being used - supervisor was sent the bill. Ae we sure this is genuine? FFI has only been in 6 weeks. A full accident investigation for something so serious would normally take longer IMO. And aren't they supposed to only be billing at set intervals?. Seem so quick to see FFI in relation to investigation that's all. Would eepect just to see if for enforcement and formal advice at this stage of the game.
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Blimy, accident to bill in less that 6 weeks!!! If this is the case and genuine we are witnessing a swing change in enforcement never mind FFI - I've had had cases open (with LA's) for months over nothing like this particular matter.
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As no invoices have been issued yet it is not possible to determine what anyone has been charged. I also agree with the point that most serious investigations will take more than 2 months unless it is clear there is a material breach and only one dutyholder involved, at that point fees could be attributable.
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Dont know if this was the example mentioned in earlier post, This was an alert that was sent out who ever sent this out has assumed that the FFI charges would also go to the employee??
Prohibition Notice Served on Foreman On Friday 19'h October a Health and Safety Executive Inspector was travelling along the A419 when he witnessed dust coming from a worksite. He decided to stop and investigate as 6 months previously he stopped on a site in Bracknell Forest; again due to dust escaping from site. Similarly to the Bracknell Forest site the HSE Inspector witnessed a gang dry cutting kerbs which was causing the dust. Following an investigation into the circumstances leading up to the point where the HSE Inspector witnesses the activities being carried out on site, he decided to serve a Prohibition Notice on the site Foreman and not the Company. The HSE Inspector said if he had witnessed the operative's dry culling without the knowledge of the site Foreman then he would have served the PN on the Company. However, as procedures were in place and the Foreman was aware that the gang were not working to the procedures, the notice was served on him for failing to fulfil his responsibilities. The Foreman's respons,ibilities to manage health and safety on site turned to accountability following the HSE Inspectors intervention. Not only was the Foreman served with a Prohibition Notice but he will also receive a bill from the Health and Safety Executive under the Health and Safety (Fees) Regulations 2012. Knows as fees for intervention, which means the HSE now charge £124 per hour when they are investigating Health and Safety breaches. The hourly rate starts from the moment they step foot on site and include time spent writing up reports and any subsequent research. This event will be thoroughiy investigated and further disciplinary action may be taken. All employees have health and safety responsibilities which are enforced internally within the Company and externally by the Enforcing Authorities. Failure to fully discharge these responsibilities will result in individual accountability.
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It would be interesting to know who has put this Safety Alert out. As I said earlier no invoices have yet been issued so it is pure speculation about who has been charged, furthermore Peter is right - individuals acting in the capacity of an employee do not fall within the scope of FFI (HSG47 para 7).
It wouldn't suprise me if this wasn't put out to scare employees into thinking they will be charged if they don't follow company rules.
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I seem to remember a conversation with an inspector that the FFI invoices will be sent out quarterly. So if my memory is correct (and I my be wrong) you wont see them for a few weeks yet!!
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Sorry, slight correction to earlier post HSE 47 - and para 38 reads
'Invoices will generally be sent to dutyholders every two months, within 30 working days of the end of each invoicing period. Invoices will be issued in January, March, May, July, September and November.'
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It was indeed the same safety alert as #10. The Alert was sent out by the H,S&E Director of the same company as the employee, so I think it would be foolish to use scaremongering to justify an untruth. All will be revealed in due course.
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