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I was looking at the new requirements on insulin using drivers with diabetes. They now have to have blood sugar monitors that record at least 6 months previous test results. 2 tests at times relevant to driving must be performed daily. Without this or it shows >2 hypo episodes in the period then the licence is revoked for 6 months or until control can be proved. Coupled to this the local Primary Care Trusts are seeking to limit test strip usage to a maximum of 50 per month for most users. What does the insulin dependent driver do? He can fix the results to always test after a glucose sweet and risk destabilising his control and ultimately health.
This set me thinking about other medical driving conditions. Diagnosed Sleep Apnoea must be notified and the licence is revoked until effective treatment is proved. Drivers thus again face loss of licence and even employment for being honest and recognising their conditions. What if you suspect you have sleep apnoea? A diagnosis can mean total loss of livelihood.
What we are left with is the problem that honest disclosure is Punished whilst those posing the risks are left to continue driving. What do our procedures then do is somebody reports a health issue that could affect their use of certain equipment? Do we too drive problems underground where they cannot be controlled?
Bob
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Bob you raise some interesting points, and I did very briefly read the requirements for insulin dependant drivers the other day as well. It’s strange that the same requirements don’t seem to apply to those treated with a combination of other treatments where there is a significantly increased risk of hypoglycaemia such as exenatide (byetta) and sulfonylurea (glipizide). But you’re also ‘right’ in that it is possible to time the testing in order to ‘skew’ the test meter results. However, the HBA1C would reveal the true extent of control.
I hadn’t heard that trusts were considering limiting the provision of test strips, although there has been a suggestion that those suffering from T2 don’t need to test daily; but that of course depends on the type of treatment and the overall level of control, indicated by HBA1C.
I have dealt with one of our HGV (LGV?) drivers who was diagnosed with sleep apnoea and following treatment and stability if his condition he was able to return to driving duties pretty quickly, although I did have to chase the DVLA on a number of occasions.
But as far as ‘procedures’ go, if someone reports to me a medical condition or the taking of medication that could affect their safety or that of others, then I will deal with it as objectively and fairly as I can, even if the ultimate outcome might be to the overall detriment of the individual concerned.
However, I think you are right that some people won’t always be entirely candid about medical conditions for fear of not getting a job, losing their job or being restricted in what work that they can do. For them personally, it is a dilemma and as to you say certain conditions can potentially (although not necessarily) mean the loss of their livelihood.
We have had a number of cases of people failing to declare medical conditions on appointment, or since. We have also had cases of people subsequently been diagnosed with various ‘life changing’ conditions and both acute and chronic conditions and in many cases we have been able to work with them, their clinicians, Access to Work etc to keep them in work, albeit not always in the same role or same hours etc. I always feel that that is a real result to which I get a great deal of satisfaction. Unfortunately depending on the circumstances you can’t always help everybody, but there are many cases where you can; and should.
Ramble over!
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By coincidence a TV documentary "Goodnight Britain" shown yesterday evening on BBC1 featured a number of people with sleep disorders being monitored by specialist doctors. One of them was a delivery driver who said he often felt tired during the day and was worried that he might fall asleep while driving. Medical monitoring of him while asleep at night showed that his breathing could stop temporarily for up to 25 seconds at a time. He was crestfallen to be given a diagnosis of potentially fatal Obstructive Sleep Apnoea and therefore was unfit to do any driving. According to the BBC website, the concluding episode of the documentary at 9.00pm this evening will show how his condition is treated and enables him to resume driving.
I've just seen canopener's posting appear as I type this with its message that positive arrangements can often be made for people with medical conditions or medication which can significantly impair their ability to drive. The scenario of the driver with sleep apnoea seems to mirror that of the driver featured by the BBC documentary, and thus offers hope regarding such a diagnosis as a counter to a fearful perception of a permanent driving ban.
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The question is though is whether the strong action approach actually improves overall safety - Will it tend to cause people to hide things which thus is uncontrolled. It is a bit like No Fault accident investigations - they rarely happen so people hide what actually happened if t6hey feel there was something they may have contributed.
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Bob, I'm not entirely sure where you're coming from. Clearly if people don't report a medical condition then other than some sort of proactive monitoring there seems little to be done and arguably this will drive 'safety' 'underground' to some extent.
On the other hand if someone does report something then there is a duty to take action, and my experience is that there can often be a number of positive actions that employers can take with the individual, their GP etc etc to try and help them to remain in work, albeit sometimes in a different role. I have done this on a number of occasions and it a really satisfying thing to be involved in. I have also unfortunately been involved in cases where we have served notice on an employee on the grounds of capability. Overall though, I have had many more 'winners' than 'losers'.
People do fear for their jobs for lots of reasons and I do come across this in relation to illness, injury and chronic conditions, but with a little thought, effort and perseverance there can be positive outcomes.
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Sorry if I am being obtuse - My mind says that it may in fact be better to have less strong controls such that people are not concerned at the prospect of reporting and are thus more likely to allow us to develop workable solutions that keep people safe.
To put ity another way Is it better to know all who may be affected, rather than a small set of the affected? The same goes say for AI - if blame is established and acted upon does this not create an atmosphere in which things become hidden.
My brain is simply saying that the controlling the total level of safety in a "community" is better than a part only being controlled and safe!!! ie If we only know that say 2 in 50 of a particular disease is reporting then the other 48 are at risk to a greater extent than if 10 in 50 with the condition report and are managed less strenuously.
Just thoughts
Bob
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Did try and tackle OSA/HS a few years ago. It only really works by proactively putting it in you OH program. It is costly but doable..
There were several studies carried out which essentially put the driver (staff) population into 4 buckets.
1. Negative 2. Equivocal 3. Probable 4. Positive
It showed that 11% of the driver group (initial findings) were positive. Normal prevalence in the male driver group would be ~3.5% in the age group 30-50. All this took place while the drivers where still at work. In essence a risk assessment. Hope this helps a wee bit..
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