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David Bannister  
#1 Posted : 07 December 2012 16:03:30(UTC)
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David Bannister

BBC website is reporting the sentence handed down to the County Council over the tragic deaths of four firefighters in 2007: http://www.bbc.co.uk/new...ry-warwickshire-20637819 This is the one where the senior Fire Officers were charged with manslaughter, later dropped.
jwk  
#2 Posted : 07 December 2012 16:38:58(UTC)
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jwk

£30K!!!! £30K!!! For four deaths! Speechless, John
messyshaw  
#3 Posted : 07 December 2012 18:07:55(UTC)
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messyshaw

On the one hand, the fine is pathetically low. But what does fining a council - the local people - actually achieve? A £500,000 or £1m fines just robs local communities of funds,, and in these difficult times may even lead to cuts in the county fire service. I am aware of many huge mistakes that occurred here. One of which originated by the fact that more than one county fire service attended. I am also aware that at the very highest level in Government, work is going on to make fire service kit, PPE, and most importantly, training & procedures more uniform to allow a seamless joins operationally where different counties meet. This and other initiatives were born or motivated as a result of this dreadful fire. I believe that this is where time and effort should be spent rather than transferring one pot of cash from one public dept to another. I also hope the Govt think again about fire service training. IMO, it's largely broken and ineffective. Training budgets are being slashed, and training depts out sourced. Operational firefighter's time taken up with installing smoke detectors for the public rather than preparing for emergencies, plus promotion standards have fallen in recent years. I have been say for years that this brave new world of putting training last on the list of priorities will end in tears. Perhaps some of those tears have already been spilled. It's important that lessons learned are acted on.
RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 08 December 2012 09:25:18(UTC)
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RayRapp

Another sad and disturbing case. Whilst I am not privileged to know all the specific details it is clear that something has gone badly wrong in the training and control of the fire officers involved in the incident. This event took place in 2007 and you would think that things a basic a the provision of training would not occur given all the regulations and ACoPs in force. As for the fines, four fatalities and a £30k fine is an insult! There is nothing in law which states a publicly funded organisation should be fined less than a privately owned organisation. Although I can see the futility of imposing a large fine on a publicly funded organisation. Indeed this has been highlighted on many occasions, including the Clapham Common train disaster where the Judge commented that by imposing a meaningful fine on the British Rail Board would serve no purpose because monies for improvement would be reduced and would also penalise the fare paying rail passenger. Notwithstanding the above, the prosecution of the four fire officers for gross negligent manslaughter seemed unnecessary and doomed to failure. Once again the CPS made a complete hash of this case and has a lot to answer for in my humble opinion. It appears that those at the top have been protected by the corporate veil.
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