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ADALE  
#1 Posted : 08 December 2012 18:41:28(UTC)
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ADALE

Hi, I've got to pitch a 10 min presentation at an interview for a local authority this week. The presentation is on H&S advisor's problems maintaining standards when advising managers during times of austerity. I figure I can pitch plenty of "text book" at them but does anyone have any practical adivce for me please, topic specific? I know similar problems exist throughout private and public sector but I don't want to stray too far if possible. Many thanks for reading
sadlass  
#2 Posted : 08 December 2012 23:57:50(UTC)
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sadlass

Hi Adale. Mystery to me what austerity has got to do with maintaining H&S standards. In general, H&S 'maintenance' costs time and effort rather than money. The only regular outlay I suppose could be training. This can be reviewed for appropriateness, frequency, value etc, with a strong chance any outlay can be reduced to a point. It may already have been. If the council have had to reduce staff, in either H&S or management, this could have an impact, with less experienced people taking on work they are not competent to do or the way the H&S service actually delivers may have had to change (or in the future) if staff cuts have affected the resource. That's all I can think of. Question suggests that those asking have the perception that maintaining H&S standards costs losts of money. There is a risk that important contracts impinging on H&S standards could be cut to save money, not limited to LAs, but maybe you could refresh your awareness of the Barrow case. Good luck
ADALE  
#3 Posted : 09 December 2012 07:26:41(UTC)
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ADALE

Thanks, you've glanced briefly on what I have already built up from assumption, training would be an initial easy target regarding resource allocation, but the broader problems of cutbacks I imagine include loosing key and often experienced staff. I have 3 friends all in LA's 1(retired) and he gave me a real life account which was a great insight. Thanks for the reply and anyone else keep them coming
SafetyGirl  
#4 Posted : 10 December 2012 12:23:23(UTC)
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SafetyGirl

Granted, this is only my experience of working in LA for 10 years in an H&S capacity. Ours was particularly poor at risk prioritisation - we seemed to flail around, fighting fire being reactive. How about looking at how incorporating / developing robust risk registers which will prioritise risk not just on the risk to personnel but also quantifies costs - this could then be used in line with budget / resource allocation. I'm sure it could be more sophisticated than I've said, but throwing an idea out there....
walker  
#5 Posted : 10 December 2012 14:03:04(UTC)
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walker

As a employee in the commercial sector ( our company lives or dies on our profitability, no bail out from the taxpayer), it always amazes me that those funded by the taxpayer can wiggle out of their statuary responsibilities by saying they are hard up. If we did that we would be accused of putting profit before lives
HSSnail  
#6 Posted : 14 December 2012 14:07:14(UTC)
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HSSnail

Walker they don't get away with it read the SHP court section any month and you will see private industry and LA crying the poor tail - don't help either the only difference is LA cannot go into liquidation to try and avoid punishment! Adale - it does not matter where you work most private companies and LA's are feeling the pinch budgets are being cut and everyone is expected to work smarter /cheaper so just think how you could achieve best results with reduced budget
Canopener  
#7 Posted : 14 December 2012 15:16:40(UTC)
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Canopener

walker wrote:
As a employee in the commercial sector ( our company lives or dies on our profitability, no bail out from the taxpayer), it always amazes me that those funded by the taxpayer can wiggle out of their statuary responsibilities by saying they are hard up. If we did that we would be accused of putting profit before lives
Hmmmmmmmm! Although LAS are essentially directly funded by the tax payer, (incidentally, of course the private sector is also funded by tax payers) there is no 'bail out' or 'wriggle out'. There are plenty of LA criminal cases, probably a disproportionate number of LA civil cases, and those with sufficient experience will know that LAS are often 'targeted' by the HSE. If you think that LAs can wriggle out of their responsibilities because they claim that they are 'hard up', then you are sadly mistaken. Sadly of course, many organisations DO put profit before health and safety; there are any number of examples of that.
bob youel  
#8 Posted : 14 December 2012 15:55:08(UTC)
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bob youel

Best of luck -with the amount of people that LA's are laying off I am surprised that they are taking on somewhere Try to provide examples of real cost savings, how you can provide solutions, be an interface between the enforcers and the staff, be a shoulder to support managers etc. / problems = priorites are focused elsewhere so how you would tackle that issue I must point out that many people are afraid of redundancy at this time so H&S will not be a priority unless you have areally good CEO and try to contact the H&S staff that have retired from the role as they should be able to tell you what may be wanted/ what they want to hear
Canopener  
#9 Posted : 14 December 2012 19:19:55(UTC)
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Canopener

Adale The challenges for the public sector are very similar to the private sector. Your work will be influenced by any number of factors, not only your managers and senior management team, but by an increasingly demanding public, public perception and of course the elected member. Oh, and both managers and members being concerned about the public perception, in particular anything that is either negative or perceived to be negative. You should know that most (all) Las have for some years been undergoing a significant number of changes mainly driven by central government and the need to drive down costs, make savings, increase efficiency, work smarter, work leaner. Many are sharing their services with other authorities, delivering services through private contractors or by operating an ‘arm’s length’ organisation. Many staff are taking on increased responsibilities and workloads Some authorities are concentrating on delivering statutory services, and reducing the delivery on ‘concessionary’ services. The constant challenge is now, do we need to do this, if so can we do it leaner? Less steps, less people, less time (unfortunately time IS money) What this means is that many managers will have a number of different, and dare I say potentially conflicting priorities from a number of different sources. So in some respects the overall result of these ‘austerity’ measures is that health and safety may be seen to be little more than an unnecessary distraction to them, and something that you should be doing. Safetygirl makes an interesting point and that is that H&S can be very reactive and that his isn’t the best use of resource. Working in health and safety in the public sector has been described by one ‘safety officer’ as like ‘plaiting fog’. Depending on the LA and your position within it, you may find that you have your finger in a considerable number of pies, and some pretty challenging situations. The following may help: Make sure that managers (and if possible members) understand ‘risk’. This may seem obvious but trust me, even some senior managers and many members don’t Develop and support a simple process that will help to identify and prioritise the key risks Create a risk log of significant risks Set proportionate sensible, achievable targets Support and assist (beware many managers will attempt to ‘devolve’ their responsibility to……..you Can you share services with other neighbouring authorities to share the work and/or the health and safety aspects of it And lastly, be prepared to be creative, imaginative and resourceful I hope somewhere among my ramblings you’ll find something useful
DawnB  
#10 Posted : 07 January 2013 11:22:22(UTC)
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DawnB

canopener wrote:
You should know that most (all) Las have for some years been undergoing a significant number of changes mainly driven by central government and the need to drive down costs, make savings, increase efficiency, work smarter, work leaner. Many are sharing their services with other authorities, delivering services through private contractors or by operating an ‘arm’s length’ organisation. Many staff are taking on increased responsibilities and workloads Some authorities are concentrating on delivering statutory services, and reducing the delivery on ‘concessionary’ services. The constant challenge is now, do we need to do this, if so can we do it leaner? Less steps, less people, less time (unfortunately time IS money) What this means is that many managers will have a number of different, and dare I say potentially conflicting priorities from a number of different sources. So in some respects the overall result of these ‘austerity’ measures is that health and safety may be seen to be little more than an unnecessary distraction to them, and something that you should be doing. I am afraid that this is what is exactly happening; it seems that doing all of this creates bigger problems as Health, Safety and Wellbeing of staff comes as an afterthought - what the LA's fail to understand is that they cannot just simply "transfer all its liabliities" to ANother......without a very robust procurement process, risk register, and indeed monitoring process as this will indeed fail - in addition the transferring and using of volunteers in regards of the "big society" has opened another can of worms in that again LA's have been forced by Central Government to do this but fail to understand it's liabilities in doing so. It is not a case of simply transferring functions out and forgetting about them. The HSE have been to visit us more in the last 12 months because of failures as described above than they have in the last 3 years as the failures generally link straight back to the LA!!!
gotogmca  
#11 Posted : 08 January 2013 16:21:54(UTC)
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gotogmca

Adale how was the presentation? Did you get the job?
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