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DaisyMaisy  
#1 Posted : 04 January 2013 21:28:24(UTC)
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DaisyMaisy

Hi All - my first visit since the new year so Happy new Year to all.

Can anyone give advice regarding the requirements relating to glass doors to showrooms? We had an accident where a customer walked into the door and cut his lip - and plans to take it further - its just happened and we are carrying out the investigation but is there anything in the regs to show if all doors need to have safety strip or is just those over a certain size? There is a large handle on the door so it would look closed but he said he didn't know it was closed. Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 04 January 2013 23:19:02(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Straight from the Approved Code associated with the Workplace Regulations (L24, available as a free pdf)

"A transparent or translucent surface should be marked where necessary to make it apparent. The risk of collision is greatest in large uninterrupted surfaces where the floor is at a similar level on each side, so that people might reasonably think they can walk straight through. If features such as mullions, transoms, rails, door frames, large pull or push handles, or heavy tinting make the surface apparent, marking is not essential. Where it is needed, marking may take any form (for example coloured lines or patterns), provided it is conspicuous and at a conspicuous height".
Graham Bullough  
#3 Posted : 05 January 2013 01:50:10(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

To add to ron hunter's useful response, the technical term for markings used to highlight the presence of panels of glass and other transparent or translucent materials is MANIFESTATION. From experience and knowledge of various incidents involving glass doors and windows over the years, I reckon that manifestation or other means of highlighting the presence of panels tends to be under-used. The reasons for this seem to include the following: architects/designers tend to bother more about the aesthetic appearance of workplaces and other commercial premises rather than the practicalities, including the design and appearance of glass panels and doors. Also, certain external or internal conditions involving natural and/or artificial light can effectively render glass doors and panels invisible to people approaching them. Furthermore, some people may have difficulty detecting glass because of impaired vision, inebriation or simply not being sufficiently vigilant, e.g. distracted while talking to others or gawping at smartphones. Also, for premises likely to be visited by children, it's important that markings/transfers/stickers on glass includes ones at lower heights visible to children.

Even though the law requires safety glass to be used in situations where it is foreeeable that people may collide with it, the injuries which can result from such collisions can include quite nasty ones such as broken noses because of the collision speeds/forces and their unexpect nature. However, some consolation can be drawn from the fact that collisions with safety glass don't usually have the same potential for serious or fatal injury as collisions with non-safety glass which breaks to create razor-sharp shards.

Obviously the above comments can only be general ones. The question of whether or not the showroom door involved in the accident needed manifestation to supplement the visible presence of the large handle can only be answered through assessment/appraisal as part of the on-site investigation.

wood1e  
#4 Posted : 05 January 2013 10:57:17(UTC)
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wood1e

Daisy,
Part N section 2 of the building regulations will give you the answer, and by the description I would suggest manifestation may be required, unless there is a horizontal feature like a handrail running in front or behind the glazing.
Also manifestations should now be designed with consideration to visual impairment I.e. two contrasting colours.
Hope that helps
wood1e  
#5 Posted : 05 January 2013 10:58:36(UTC)
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wood1e

PS,
Just Google and you can download a PDF via gov.Co.uk
DaisyMaisy  
#6 Posted : 05 January 2013 13:05:36(UTC)
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DaisyMaisy

thanks all so very much for your help on this.

very useful and exactly what I needed!
tony.  
#7 Posted : 06 January 2013 16:02:20(UTC)
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tony.

Do the automatic doors have the appropriate signage as per the BS for automatic doors?
May be worth checking to prevent future incidents
DP  
#8 Posted : 07 January 2013 08:24:30(UTC)
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DP

Daisy - BS 7036 is the standard then the part depends on the doors you have in situe.

PM me if you need anymre info?

DP
Mr.Flibble  
#9 Posted : 07 January 2013 10:51:56(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Many moons ago I covered some Audi Dealerships, they had the Audi symbol as window stickers, ask around I'm sure someone somewhere will have something!
NickH  
#10 Posted : 07 January 2013 10:56:12(UTC)
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NickH

Tony. wrote:
Do the automatic doors have the appropriate signage as per the BS for automatic doors?
May be worth checking to prevent future incidents


What automatic doors? I couldn't see any mention of any in the OP.
NickH  
#11 Posted : 07 January 2013 10:57:24(UTC)
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NickH

Ignore that - just read other post (witness statements).

My bad. :(
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