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I have noticed lately that quite a few of my safety reps have been signing their own training forms, Is this acceptable as they are the competent person?
When they are training out the SSOWs, they are doing a copy for themselves and signing too. Is there a flaw in this should they become injured and claim?
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It sounds a bit wrong, allowing a process to operate reliant on self-control, not verification. Is it possible they could sign for one another?
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I suppose you have to look at what the intent is behind the signature?
If it's a signature for them to acknowledge they have received the training - no problem.
If it's a signature for them to say they have read and understood the SSoW - no problem
If it's a signature for them to say they have trained themselves - I'd get it counter-signed by their supervisor to confirm from the "management" point of view that training has been given by a competent trainer.
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"when they are training out SSOWs"
Who trained them on the SSOW ? Or in competence to train out SSOWs ?
I'm not totally against the idea. When I drew them up myself I considered myself competent (CMIOSH and all that) to train others, with proof of competence, before I signed them off. But nobody checked my competence to actually carry out the SSOW in real life. Nor would I have done so. (Wot, get me 'ands dirty ?)
Merv
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Lisa,
i assume that these reps deliver the SSOW training to all other staff, could you not get the reps to train each other then there is a clear trainer & trainee on the acknowledgement.
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It won't work geographically to train each other and sales are their main roles so health and safety is a hard message to push during these current economic climates.
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Whoever gave the responsibility to the safety reps should sign thiers or as suggested above another safety rep..
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lisareed wrote:I have noticed lately that quite a few of my safety reps have been signing their own training forms, Is this acceptable as they are the competent person?
When they are training out the SSOWs, they are doing a copy for themselves and signing too. Is there a flaw in this should they become injured and claim? Not good practice. I would have a word on the line of 'How can anyone sign themselves off as being competent'?
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Gunner1 - Unfortunately competent people should be able to assess there own competence levels.
This question is about training and not competence. Thus a trainer cannot train himself. The measure is whether he has competently delivered the appropriate information and this has to be judged by others.
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Interesting topic, I have recently been on a PTLLS course where it was stated that the current thinking on teaching you are a facilitator to help the student learn for themselves. Thinking back to my NEBOSH diploma you were not “Taught” everything you needed to learn, a lot of it was purely up to you. In essence do we not sign off our own training as part of CPD ?. Sometimes it’s an external course, but not always.
So probably the answer to the question depends on what is being learnt.
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quote=boblewis]Gunner1 - Unfortunately competent people should be able to assess there own competence levels.
This question is about training and not competence. Thus a trainer cannot train himself. The measure is whether he has competently delivered the appropriate information and this has to be judged by others. Yes, the word unfortunately is interesting. I have just assessed myself as competent and signed myself off accordingly.
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There's an old adage: If you want to learn a subject, teach it.
When researching and preparing training materials I often find I improve my knowledge because I am constantly anticipating the question "Why?" which I can hear my intended students asking me ...
We get CPD points for designing and developing training so there is a recognition that it is self-improving.
So I think it is valid for a trainer to assign themselves a signature against the training, because in all likelihood they will have received better self-training than they will be able to impart anyway.
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If we are talking training for a specific procedure / using specific item of equipment then I would expect training to cover:
- Theory / explanation of the method
- Demonstration of the procedure / machine being used correctly (demo by the trainer)
- Observation of trainees undertaking the procedure / using the equipment safely and in line with training
On the above basis, point 3 could not be accomplished by self-certifying training documents.
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I can't see how signing yourself off as having trained yourself could ever stand up in a court of law.
Yes, I can research a topic and therefore be happy that I have knowledge of the topic but I could never sign myself off as 'trained' in that subject. Knowledgeable but not trained.
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