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SteveM  
#1 Posted : 02 February 2013 11:42:06(UTC)
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SteveM

I have a history in IT, about 20 years on hardware repair, servers, desktops, laptops etc, My time with IT has reached a stage where it no longer interests me and I wish to change career totally. I have always been interested in being safe and keeping my family and anyone around me safe so Health and Safety is an ideal direction for me to head in. I work for a company that specialised in IT and I was employed here in that roll, rolls changed the IT bit diminished and I have been moved onto white goods as a driver fitter in which I have no interest. I have been a pain to the management about health and safety issues in the depot, the face of the company is very H&S orientated but this is frowned upon if it restricts our deliveries getting done. I am at a stage where I want to leave, I hate the job and politics, the managers can only just manage to get out of bed, I do love the fact that I have personally made it safer for the drivers by being persistent and highlighting every issue but because that is not my roll in the company it does not occupy enough of my time to stay there. I am currently studying for the Nebosh general cert (distance learning), I find it fairly easy because most of it is common sense but remembering terminology is difficult, I am getting there and probably ready for the exams. Now you know my background where could I go and is it possible to get a job while I am still training? I guess a good area for me to approach is either IT or transport because I have had a great deal of experience in those areas, how could I approach this, what salary should I expect and any other advice would be appreciated.
Safety Man 1  
#2 Posted : 02 February 2013 20:18:25(UTC)
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Safety Man 1

Stevie There has been many people like you wanting a career move in a different direction I must admit I was one of them. I see you are doing your general certificate which is a good starting point. Now a bit of the downside everyone is looking for experience nowadays plus some companies entry level is the National Diploma which is obviously putting some people at a disadvantage as I am a firm believer it's not the qualifications that you you have but a background in the environment as well. If I was you I would stick to logistics just like I will probably need to look to the construction side of health and safety. Wish you all the best with the general certificate.
sweenytodd  
#3 Posted : 03 February 2013 09:35:37(UTC)
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sweenytodd

Steve, The pathway into safety is a very long and hard struggle unless you now someone to give you a start. I had been an offshore safety rep for 8 years, I also completed a BSc in Occ Health and it took me until Feb 2011 to get my first start as an HSE Adviser, to which I have left and I am now manager on an overseas project. I can only say that you will need to constantly apply and go through the whole rejection process until you land lucky. Just like Derek says everyone wants experience and a higher qualification than Gen Cert, but don't give up as I said it took me 11 years of trying so thats what you may have to go through to get what you want. Good Luck
SteveM  
#4 Posted : 03 February 2013 09:50:50(UTC)
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SteveM

Thanks for your help, the general Cert is just the staring block, when I have achieved it I will be attacking the diploma but taking as quoted 18 months I wanted the cert to get me a rung up the ladder. I kind of wanted a pointer as to what direction to go, Derek you advised Logistics, the health and safety in our depot is poor so I guess I should get them into shape by being even more of a pain. I am very unpopular with the management because of my stance on health and safety already, much work to do I guess.
Safety Man 1  
#5 Posted : 03 February 2013 10:24:07(UTC)
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Safety Man 1

Stevie Unfortunately health and safety is not about popularity it goes with the role. You will get challenged as I do when I undertake audits for my company as managers want to know why they didn't score that marks they want. It's a case of explaining your reasons And how the team can achieve our objectives saying that our management teams are very good because they usually achieve over 90%. As for the diploma I am on that long path just know its a big step up from the Gen Cert but with be worth it to achieve my CMIOSH
Melrose80086  
#6 Posted : 04 February 2013 10:05:23(UTC)
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Melrose80086

Stevie, Manangement don't like H&S as they perceive it will cost them money to implement things. What you need to show them it that it will cost them even more if they don't!! Try and calculate the cost of even a minor accident and someone getting injured...sickness absence costs (potentially having to hire someone else to cover or advertising for a temporary position etc), what would happen if the person then decided to sue the organisation? Present them with the costs and they might realise that it's in their best interest not to ignore your help!! If there is a H&S adviser for the organisation ask if you could perhaps shadow them (so directing any concerns to that person rather than management directly - they might think they've got you out of their hair so to speak but gives you that experience to go on the olde CV). Good luck!!
SteveM  
#7 Posted : 04 February 2013 10:53:40(UTC)
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SteveM

Its funny you should say that Melrose. I refused to do a delivery because it was dangerous a short while ago, the company sent another team the following day who delivered it. I now have a disciplinary hearing, during this hearing I intend to highlight how much it could have cost had the team that delivered it injured themselves (it was a high risk operation due to the weight, size, snow and position to be delivered too). I will request that the team that delivered it be disciplined for ignoring the company risk assessment (I am sure the other team did not know there was one), putting the company at risk from prosecution from criminal and civil claims. I hope to use this as a footing to look after their interests as regards Health and Safety, but the unofficial policy is that H&S is paramount as long as it doesn't prevent a delivery and affect the managers bonus.
BJC  
#8 Posted : 04 February 2013 11:39:24(UTC)
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If I were going for big bucks I would get into Oil and Gas see offshore section hsejobs.proboards.com always keep an eye on the SHP.
Steve W1  
#9 Posted : 04 February 2013 12:21:00(UTC)
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Steve W1

Hi SteveM how's it going, Getting a foothold in the health and safety job market can be a difficult one. I suggest you have a strategy on your planed progression. Have a look at some of the Internet job sites and look at the requirements being asked for, for health and safety jobs. You will find that a lot ask for qualifications such as NEBOSH diploma, NVQ level 5, and CMIOSH etc. If you are not currently involved in a health and safety role the NVQ route may not be the best option. If you have a IOSH branch near you go to some of their meetings, or check out development programs on this website, you need to be focused on what you really want and how you are going to achieve your goal. All the best on your journey, it will be at times difficult but can also be very rewarding as well. Steve W
Safe AS  
#10 Posted : 06 February 2013 09:23:47(UTC)
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Safe AS

Hi Steve, To back up any studies, others are right, experience counts for something. I’d recommend you see if your current employer would be interested in forming a safety committee, which meets regular to discuss both proactive and reactive subject matter in a constructive, positive and minuted format. You can act as Representative of Employee Safety (RoES) and gain applied experience. Other simple ways to gain practical experience and demonstrate to future employers a commitment to safety could be to offer to join the company as a Fire Marshal and/or First Aider. Perhaps if there are regular visual H&S checks that need performing and recording at your site, e.g. monthly checks on extinguishers, emergency lighting, vehicles etc. Perhaps use your IT knowledge to develop some software to simplify H&S reporting, recording , monitoring etc If the company isn’t interested in your offer of help (and you have perhaps written proof), at least you’ll be able to demonstrate to other employers you tried. Consider voluntary work, such as marshalling at public events or asking consultants if you can observe them in practice…all good stuff that can go onto a CV and get your foot in the door by networking with fellow safety professionals and gaining varied, grass roots work experience. Good luck with everything, this is a very rewarding profession
Jez@IIA  
#11 Posted : 11 February 2013 14:41:22(UTC)
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Jez@IIA

Hello Steve, As so many have said before i think the key is staying focused. What you have on your side is time, ok you hate the job but its still putting money in your pocket. So you can study and take your time until you think that you have the qualifications and aptitude that employers are looking for. I am in the army at the moment and studying for the diploma which touch wood i finish this year with 1 more exam to go, Unit B ( it will become more apparent soon ) that is starting in March 2010 with certificate.. I think my point is dont rush into leaving before you have used your current situation to its fullest but you will get there have faith. All the best.
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