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9Yally  
#1 Posted : 05 February 2013 22:14:46(UTC)
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9Yally


Good evening,

What training courses would be recommended for supervising and writing RAMS documents for roof work using a scaffold ?

I have factored in that practical experience will be required as well, but what courses will be required in regards to W@H and erecting scaffolding etc.

Many Thanks
9Yally  
#2 Posted : 05 February 2013 22:18:36(UTC)
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9Yally


In addition to my question what level of training will be required for the operatives working on the roof, can this be provided in house after a train the trainer course as such ?

I would like to establish that I am aware it is based on competency (skills, experience, training etc)

What would like to know specific information on courses required to gain the competency and then train others.

Thanks
frankc  
#3 Posted : 06 February 2013 10:42:42(UTC)
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frankc

9yally wrote:

Good evening,

What training courses would be recommended for supervising and writing RAMS documents for roof work using a scaffold ?

I have factored in that practical experience will be required as well, but what courses will be required in regards to W@H and erecting scaffolding etc.

Many Thanks


Are you asking about tube and clip scaffolding or aluminium scaffolding (mobile towers) as there is a massive difference in the training requirements. Possibly a W@H course and make sure it contains ladder access.
Certainly a good knowledge of the W@H Regs will be needed too for the RA's as the regs state competence is required to PLAN and WORK at height.
As for the 2nd part, you may feel competent to deliver an in house course straight away. Just be prepared for THAT question, the one you may not know the answer to. ;-)
9Yally  
#4 Posted : 06 February 2013 11:46:21(UTC)
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9Yally


Hi Franc,

Thank you for your response.

The majority of the work will be tube and clip but some work may be from Scaffold towers.

So a course that covers both and includes access and maybe MEWP's.

Would you be able to recommend a course ?

As for training out to the workers, I wasn't sure if you needed a recognised specific qualification in addition to a training qualification.

Many Thanks,

9
jontyjohnston  
#5 Posted : 06 February 2013 13:53:21(UTC)
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jontyjohnston

Hi there

There are distinct and specific courses for tube and clip and alloy towers, basic course is 1 day.

There are CSR.CSCS cards for MEWP operations again externally provided course.

As regards training of workers for roof work generally there is no specific course. It depends on the actual activities to be undertaken. Are they using harness & fall arrest, if so there is training specific to that. Are they used fixed or mobile anchor points, training required for that, etc, etc. The on the job training will depend on key skills or competency you need them to have to work safely.

Hope this helps.
9Yally  
#6 Posted : 06 February 2013 14:12:22(UTC)
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9Yally


Thanks for the reply JJ.

I am not sure if this is against forum rules but can you recommend any course providers, just so I can have a look at what is required.

Will these courses cover inspecting scaffolds and issuing Scaff Tags ?

I am looking for a W@H course which covers everything really and will allow me to issue tags, write method statements and supervise and issue training ?

Is there such a course available ?

Again I am aware I will also need the practical experience as well.

Many Thanks
jontyjohnston  
#7 Posted : 06 February 2013 16:19:34(UTC)
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jontyjohnston

Check out the link below, sure you will get what you need.

http://cisrs.org.uk/training-providers/

There is no bespoke W@H course (unless some learned colleague is aware of one). If I might cover the points you raised?

Issuing tags - I assume for the scaffolding - you would need to do the advanced courses. However, this is the responsibility of whomever you get to erect or modify. For tube & lock this should be a registered scaffolder, for alloy towers you can do this even after a 1 day course. So you could tag alloy towers, not "fixed" scaffolding.
Method statements - no special training needed - but, if you go on a scaffolding course you will be more competent to write a good MS, not saying your not competent now of course!
The only training you should be thinking about should be informing people on the MS or RA.

Roof works should only be undertaken by competent roofing contractors.

Sorry if this is a bit long winded, hope it helps some.
frankc  
#8 Posted : 06 February 2013 16:21:44(UTC)
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frankc

9yally wrote:

Hi Franc,

Thank you for your response.

The majority of the work will be tube and clip but some work may be from Scaffold towers.

So a course that covers both and includes access and maybe MEWP's.

Would you be able to recommend a course ?

9


Do any of your workforce have ANY experience of assembling tube and clip scaffolding at the moment? If not, it isn't something you can pick up with a one day's course. Same with PASMA are an established accredited body for Towers and IPAF are similar for MEWP's.
paulrun26  
#9 Posted : 08 February 2013 15:48:10(UTC)
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paulrun26

9yally wrote:

Good evening,

What training courses would be recommended for supervising and writing RAMS documents for roof work using a scaffold ?

I have factored in that practical experience will be required as well, but what courses will be required in regards to W@H and erecting scaffolding etc.

Many Thanks


Hi 9yally

New to the forums so forgive me if I am stating the obvious, please forgive me and, of course let me know.

Have you looked at HSG 33 - it is a good starting point for wah issues. Have you thought of consulting your scaffold contractors? after all they are the specialists, have they, would they provide you with RA/MS for work?

Regards

Paul
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