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A Kurdziel  
#1 Posted : 13 February 2013 10:52:22(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Here’s a strange one:
Has anybody come across employees who spend a lot of time looking up using binoculars and have developed musculo-skeletal problems with their backs or necks?
We have an employee who spent the best part of a month looking up trees with binoculars and developed quite a serious condition in her lower back. This was not something we had considered when we did our risks assessments and I would like to get some idea of how common this might be. Our OH provider is investigating whether the individual concerned had an existing condition that the work exacerbated but is there any record of this happening in other work places? I assume that this might involve people in the electrical distribution industry looking at pylons or telecoms people looking at masts as well as people looking up trees.
So, any similar reports?
MrsBlue  
#2 Posted : 13 February 2013 11:56:37(UTC)
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Must be a few building surveyors here who use binos to inspect roofs

Or twitters

Rich
ajb  
#3 Posted : 13 February 2013 12:36:12(UTC)
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ajb

Google "Finnstick" - though how adaptable it is for prolonged upward viewing, rather than horizontally I don't know.
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 13 February 2013 12:51:34(UTC)
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bob youel

Have worked with many arbourists over many years [and others who look up] but this is a new one on me
m  
#5 Posted : 13 February 2013 13:27:28(UTC)
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m

I came across a product a few years ago for use by those window cleaners that use poles to reach way up. See the link below or search the internet for "window cleaner neck support"

http://www.cleaningspot....og/Safety_equipment.html
colinreeves  
#6 Posted : 13 February 2013 13:35:23(UTC)
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colinreeves

My industry uses binoculars frequently and I have never heard of any similar problems. Accordingly, I suspect it is the long time bending to look upwards that is the root cause, not binoculars in themselves (the sea tends to be flat so no need to look upwards for approaching ships ...)

colinreeves  
#7 Posted : 13 February 2013 13:44:42(UTC)
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colinreeves

I am sure I have seen hand-held binoculars which are angled - look horizontally but see up at an angle. Cannot find any, but two thirds down the page is something similar to the ide - albeit ridiculously expensive! This may alleviate the muscular problems?

http://www.green-witch.com/acatalog/Astronomy.html
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 13 February 2013 13:58:34(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

There are people employed on red-squirrel counts and the like and I can empathise - this would be very tiresome.
If you're in Local Authority circle (and it looks like you are) why not have a word with your Property Surveyors, or even your in-house blacksmiths to look at provision of an adjustable swivel-mount pole?
A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 13 February 2013 15:08:32(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

ron hunter wrote:
There are people employed on red-squirrel counts and the like and I can empathise - this would be very tiresome.
If you're in Local Authority circle (and it looks like you are) why not have a word with your Property Surveyors, or even your in-house blacksmiths to look at provision of an adjustable swivel-mount pole?

Local authority my.... it’s the civil service actually. I don’t think we have had an in-house blacksmith since we retired the last cart horse. We have a number of Poles working for us (myself include) but none is willing to be swivel mounted!
Sorry I know it’s not Friday but it’s snowing and I am feeling a bit daft.
Thanks for the responses about the binoculars and the associated back problems- it’s just such an odd thing and I am wondering is it just one off or has it happened before.
More suggestions and any other information will be gladly received.
jwk  
#10 Posted : 14 February 2013 16:10:40(UTC)
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jwk

I don't use binoculars atvwork but I have been a very keen birdwatcher for 40 years and I have never had backache even in long intensive birding holidays, which do involve staring fruitlessly into trees at times,

John
KieranD  
#11 Posted : 14 February 2013 17:57:36(UTC)
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KieranD

A Kurdziel

Your own description:
' an employee who spent the best part of a month looking up trees with binoculars and developed quite a serious condition in her lower back
suggests two major factors which substantial ergonomic research associates with MSDS
a. repetitive upper arm movements
b. postural strain.

If a valid ergonomic risk assessment was conducted, this should have been quite clear in advance, surely?
ExDeeps  
#12 Posted : 14 February 2013 18:16:07(UTC)
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ExDeeps

Hi,
There is a group of people who use bino's to carry out survey work in for example oil refineries and power stations. They have to use them as they are surveying pipehangers which by their nature are high up and remote. I would suggest that these surveyors tend to actually stand a fair distance away from the pipehangers being surveyed to "lower" the angle they must look up. Was your employee standing dreckly under the tree to look up? As previously suggested, if this is the case the bino's are not actually the problem it is the positioning of the surveyor in respect to the tree.
Anyway, maybe the pipehanger inspectors (sorry can't remember any company names but insurance inspectors might know) would be the people to talk to?

Jim
A Kurdziel  
#13 Posted : 15 February 2013 09:20:14(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

ExDeeps wrote:
Hi,
There is a group of people who use bino's to carry out survey work in for example oil refineries and power stations. They have to use them as they are surveying pipehangers which by their nature are high up and remote. I would suggest that these surveyors tend to actually stand a fair distance away from the pipehangers being surveyed to "lower" the angle they must look up. Was your employee standing dreckly under the tree to look up? As previously suggested, if this is the case the bino's are not actually the problem it is the positioning of the surveyor in respect to the tree.
Anyway, maybe the pipehanger inspectors (sorry can't remember any company names but insurance inspectors might know) would be the people to talk to?
Jim

That's exactly what I thought. The terrain they are in is forestry and it quite difficult for them to move further back. The things they are looking for is beetles, or more accurately evidence that the beetles have attached the ends of branches. Therefore they have tended to stand near the base of the tree and look straight up. The injured party is also quite short and so has had to lean further back than a taller person. I have a solution: a mini drone fitted with cameras brilliant but I am not sure if our budget will stretch to it.
Betta Spenden  
#14 Posted : 17 February 2013 13:48:03(UTC)
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Betta Spenden

Don’t forget the schoolboy jolly-jape which involves placing black boot polish on the eye pieces. Thus resulting in Panda eyes.

http://www.kiwicare.co.uk/Pages/default.aspx

Link attached for Kiwi boot polish. Somewhere on their site is an MSDS sheet to help you do a COSHH risk assessment. ;-).

Drat, missed Friday by two days Still........

Crack on
John D C  
#15 Posted : 17 February 2013 16:13:47(UTC)
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John D C

Have you considered asking them to lay down so they are looking forwards when viewing the trees. Removes all the problems of twisting or arching the neck. If it is wet use a lightweight groundsheet to lie on.
Take care
John C
A Kurdziel  
#16 Posted : 25 February 2013 10:44:19(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

When I first looked at this problem I sarcastically suggested that the real solution would be to use some sort of drone to look at the trees for ALB. Then I went down to London last week with my son and saw this – the Parrot AR. Drone at the Science Museum.
It was priced at £280 each and might be an affordable solution to examining trees.
This might be of interest to other people engaged in similar work such as people examining gas stacks etc.
Here is a link to an article on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrot_AR.Drone.

Thanks for all of the responses
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