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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 27 February 2013 15:36:05(UTC)
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firesafety101

Do any of the CDM Cs out there send out regular information bulletins to the PCs operating on their projects? If so what sort of information do you send them?
jarsmith83  
#2 Posted : 27 February 2013 15:43:31(UTC)
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jarsmith83

I have had experience with CDM Cs sending out safety bulletins to PCs
PH2  
#3 Posted : 27 February 2013 16:16:58(UTC)
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PH2

We generally don't send routine bulletins but have passed on a few urgent safety circulars from HSE.
JohnW  
#4 Posted : 27 February 2013 16:58:16(UTC)
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JohnW

Every Feb/March I send a bulletin to clients and PCs telling them that HSE inspectors are having a blitz on small construction sites, and yes, there was a bulletin earlier this month but I can't find the link right now! As well a CDM-C I am usually acting as a site safety advisor too on the small sites I deal with, so they also get reminders about site safety rules, outcome of scaffold inspections...... and more CDM-Cish: reminders that I need to know if any 'new' contractors are coming on site - they sometimes change their mind who'll be the roofer or electrician and don't tell me, or the contractor sends in a subby or a junior lad who hasn't had induction or competence review....... so I let them know firmly when that has happened and I'm not happy!
firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 27 February 2013 21:47:02(UTC)
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firesafety101

Thanks, The contractors already get the usual warnings of HSE spot checks and other safety stuff but its the CDM-Cish stiff I want to know, like John W says about the changes in contractor, that's a good one. Once HSE have been notified and contractor named on the F10, does HSE need to be notified if the sub contractor changes and/or when a new subby is appointed?
bob youel  
#6 Posted : 28 February 2013 07:35:46(UTC)
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bob youel

It is not a CDMC's role to give out general safety information so I say let the CDMC get on with their own job and the client should ensure that the PC manages; which will include the issue of such info by the PC and or a H&S adviser commissioned by either the client or the PC I too act as a CDMC however from a H&S view if the H&S areas are given to others soon there will be no H&S advisers as others will be doing their work for them
Stedman  
#7 Posted : 28 February 2013 08:33:56(UTC)
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Stedman

Surely what is being discussed here falls well outside the scope of the role of the CDM-C? If you look at paragraph 90 of the Approved Code of Practice for the 2007 CDM Regulations, this identifies ‘what CDM co-ordinators should do’.
JohnW  
#8 Posted : 28 February 2013 10:02:41(UTC)
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JohnW

stedman, CDM-C involvement should not end when the project work starts. Paragraph 90 says things like 'promptly provide in a convenient form to those involved with the design of the structure; and to every contractor (including the principal contractor) who may be or has been appointed by the client, such parts of the pre-construction information which are relevant to each' so to do that the CDM-C needs to be aware if any new contractors or inexperienced subbys are getting involved in a project. How he achieves that awareness depends on how closely he keeps in touch with project activities and with the PC and Client (who may overlook new contractors on site). If there's a problem then the CDM-C needs to communicate that to everyone. Also para 90 says 'manage the flow of health and safety information between clients, designers and contractors' and this is in mainly in pre-construction planning, but there may be design changes AFTER construction work has started, and 'CDM co-ordinators who identify important health and safety issues that have not been addressed in the design must draw them to the attention of the designer. (ACoP). The CDM-C should not supervise implementation of the construction phase plan nor monitor construction work but he needs to know what may have changed, and he should then communicate anything important.
JohnW  
#9 Posted : 28 February 2013 10:13:31(UTC)
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JohnW

oh sorry stedman, I meant to add that what I was saying above won't apply to well-managed projects where Client, PC and designer know their duties. Unfortunately for me I always get projects that are not well-managed, particularly with regard to contractors and design changes, and I find out these problems if I'm also acting as safety adviser to the client and I'm doing weekly inspections. The communications I get involved in are to ensure I'm doing my CDM-C duties as well as the advisor duties.
firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 28 February 2013 10:25:04(UTC)
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firesafety101

Judging by the replies so far I get the feeling that to go the extra mile and provide information that is not part of the requirement of CDM C would be the wrong thing to do? Am I right? If so would there be consequences if something went wrong following receipt of that type of information? Could/would the CDM C be criticised in a court of law for overstepping the mark?
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