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ianjones  
#1 Posted : 12 March 2013 22:11:23(UTC)
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ianjones

We are shortly to have contractors in to clean the skylights on our class 2 NON FRAGILE roof the roof and skylights are to be cleaned using a pressure washer the precautions we have put in place are access by fixed steps to roof skylight is marked by red fixings we have put in place demarcation posts and chains to provide a safe lane to and from the main roof spine there is no edge risk as it has a parapet when we get near skylights each one is marked by demarcation lines and the ones on each side will be covered with a reinforced wood cover okay I hear you ask what about - harnesses, lines, fall protection etc that is precisely the question - this is a non fragile roof only 3 years old! we haven't got fixings for lines etc so cant do this and why would we if it is a low risk? surely we have engineered out the hazard??? if we go down the fall protection lines for this - it is very expensive and are we overdoing the protection factor? I welcome your views
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 12 March 2013 22:23:51(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Pitch angle of roof? Height of parapet? Adequate landing and step-off at top of "fixed steps"? Are these "fixed steps" a permanent feature or something introduced for the task? Are there handrails? This "safe lane" - is it prone to slip risk? How is the pressure washer to be lifted up and down? Do you really want to use a pressure washer? Careful of the pressure. You may have a nice clean roof at the end of the task, but you might inadvertantly introduce leaks at the skylight interfaces! If the skylights are Class 2, extra protection, demarcation etc. could be construed as OTT. Just a few queries arising from your description, not intended as criticism.
ianjones  
#3 Posted : 12 March 2013 22:32:13(UTC)
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ianjones

no worries it is a low angle pitched roofat 15 degress the work will only be done on a dry day and with me present + permit to work for WAH, RA and method stataement are done parapet is 1m approx but they wont go near it as they can clean that area from 2 metres away fixed steps are a fixed fire escape with access to the roof pressure washer will be lifted onto a flat wing roof by forklift (suitably strapped to a pallet) and can be easily transported to roof spine from there good point about the leak potential thank you
SNS  
#4 Posted : 12 March 2013 22:33:59(UTC)
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SNS

Hi Ian, Random thoughts, probably considered by you: Is the roof construction certified 'non fragile', what is the life of any guarantee? Are the skylights non-fragile in the same way that the roof is? Is the parapet high enough? When you say 'marked by demarkation lines', is this something like marking tape or a rigid approach prevention method? WAH hierarchy - avoid - obviously you can't avoid doing it up there. prevent falls - hard stops in the form of work positioning restraints or rails around each skylight, not sure about wooden covers depending on their age, installation and the weight of the operators. If they fall onto the wooden cover will anything prevent them rolling onto the skylight? mitigate falls - consider netting below the skylights to catch the unwary or inattentive cleaning operator, maybe consider debris netting to stop broken bits of skylight getting to the area below, or cordon off the floor below where the team are working. Rescue plan - what if .... how will you get an IP or sick individual down, remembering that dial 999 is not a rescue plan. Quantify the risk and do the sums. Prevent any falls will result in happiness and everyone comes back to work. The opposite will have the opposite effect. Regards, S
SNS  
#5 Posted : 12 March 2013 22:39:05(UTC)
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SNS

typing whilst Ron had his reply in the ether ...
ianjones  
#6 Posted : 14 March 2013 11:45:12(UTC)
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ianjones

the skylights are also non fragile the demarcation line is from TRAD and is posts and plastic chain as a visual reminder of a risk these are placed around the skylight 1 metre from the we dont want to spend extra money on precuations that are not neccessary otherwise what is the point of spending extra on a non fragile roof if you still have to fit netting, access line etc so i supose i am asking if it was your site and you had non fragile roof and skylights a good demarcation system and a good entry route and good PTW/RA/MS in place would you be comfortable or what else would you do that is not OTT
SNS  
#7 Posted : 14 March 2013 20:51:55(UTC)
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SNS

As long as it is inspected by a competent person and is still non fragile my only remaining question would 'am I prepared to do what I am allowing others to do'. If you've not seen it the Advisory Committee for Roof safety (ACR) has a seried of publications freely downloadable, they look useful, http://www.roofworkadvice.info/index.html Rgds, S
Steve Sedgwick  
#8 Posted : 14 March 2013 21:12:19(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

Ian it sounds to me that you know what you are doing, you've looked at this logically and put in sensible controls. Also you will be present to help with the supervision. Steve
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