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Hi all
Can anyone recommend what course is best for training someone to implement an environmental management system?
I have been tasked with implementing a 14001 management system into my contract and being more health and safety orientated need to bolster my knowledge.
Many thanks
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jarsmith83 wrote:Hi all
Can anyone recommend what course is best for training someone to implement an environmental management system?
I have been tasked with implementing a 14001 management system into my contract and being more health and safety orientated need to bolster my knowledge.
Many thanks
Try here... http://www.bsigroup.com/...erm=IOSHtrainingcatFLINK
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I too asked a similar question of a good confidante a while ago; who suggested the best way was do the auditors course and then because you know what an auditor will be looking for - you will know what elements are needed for implementing the mgmt system.
I am on such a course at the end of next month :-)
HTH
Stuart
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J
what is your role and qualifications as the question has me slightly bemused?
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Hello J,
If during your OHS studies you covered the integrated management system which include ISO 9001, OHSAS 18001: 2007 and ISO 14001, you should be able to implement the latter, particularly if you have access to the standard.
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Think H&S think IOSH
Think Environment think IEMA.
Simples!
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If you are not only implementing the system but also responsible for Env issues, then an IEMA Management Cert is a good start. If you can also get on the auditors course as Stuie noted this is also good, that way you will understand where the auditor is coming from and better defend what you have done. I have completed a foundation course in Env Auditing (1 week and about £1k) which was good (open book test and roll play at end).
These standards are relatively clear on the requirements, just a bit of imagination on how best to meet them on your site is necessary. If you have put OHSAS18001 in place, then same as. The only thing to note is Env requires a formal legal register, where I feel you can do without this for H&S (others may differ on this point).
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Chris42. the only thing to note"......! I think not, what about ISO 14001 4.3.1 Environmental Aspects ie identification of aspects & determining those which have an impact?
This is totally different altogether from OHSAS 18001 4.3.1 Identifying hazards, et al...........!
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I think you made my point. An environmental impact assessment is how the environment can be harmed in the same way that a risk assessment identifies how people may be harmed. Not a huge stretch of the imagination.
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Thanks for the feedback all
I am a 9001 & 18001 auditor and chartered "elf and safety" :-).
I have always had the environmental bolt on to my job title (been in health and safety for the last 8 years or so). Now I am being tasked with implementing a 14001 management system into a contract and, being the main contact for the clients sustainability team.
I have always mixed it with the environmental side of operations and have compiled the necessary report information to national environmental managers etc but, this does not mean I understand the full process and requirements enough to be confident to implement and integrate a full management system, plus be able to discuss in-depth with environmental and sustainability teams.
I am being looked at to take this responsibility on and to be fair, my employer are fully supportive with regards to training needs/requirements.
I have been looking at the IEMA associate certificate or, the NEBOSH Environmental diploma. I am not adverse to studying as I have completed all the certs and diploma (NEBOSH) + NVQ + lots of specialist certs individual disciplines, so if I am to start a course I wish to go the whole hog. My main concern is:
I found my NEBOSH studies to by great for knowledge but the NVQ was far better for practical knowledge. I would like a course which teaches you the hands on stuff rather than just theoretical sid eof it, which will be useless in the workplace.
Any further advice will be much appreciated.
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TBH, if you already have a 9001 & 18001 system in place then most things will already be in place in setting up a 14001 system. If you read the clauses in 14001 & 18001 then they are almost identical and all 3 systems link together quite easily.
As for training, i did the NEBOSH cert in enviro management and found that to be very useful for understanding environmental issues but not so much for setting up a management system.
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TBH, if you already have a 9001 & 18001 system in place then most things will already be in place in setting up a 14001 system. If you read the clauses in 14001 & 18001 then they are almost identical and all 3 systems link together quite easily.
As for training, i did the NEBOSH cert in enviro management and found that to be very useful for understanding environmental issues but not so much for setting up a management system.
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cheifinspector wrote:TBH, if you already have a 9001 & 18001 system in place then most things will already be in place in setting up a 14001 system. If you read the clauses in 14001 & 18001 then they are almost identical and all 3 systems link together quite easily.
As for training, i did the NEBOSH cert in enviro management and found that to be very useful for understanding environmental issues but not so much for setting up a management system. You seem to be giving me the feedback I have received so far i.e. the NEBOSH cert does not provide sound knowledge of how to implement an environmental management system and provide the practical knowledge to do so. I have been directed to IEMA Associate certificate by 3 course providers so far. Weirdly IEMA, during a telephone conversation with them, stated they do not recognize the NEBOSH Diploma anymore, not sure why though.
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From the qualifications that you already have I recommend either:
1. IEMA Certificate.
2. NEBOSH Env Dip.
3. British Safety Council Env Dip.
They are all fairly much the same syllabus with little core difference no matter what others say. So I say select one based upon cost/availability and also what weight it carries regarding joining IEMA. Having gone down that route myself, after the NEBOSH H/S Dip, they are all a doodle.
But the goal posts have been moved since I joined IEMA and the rules for membership are different. That could be what the IEMA person was implying to you.
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Thanks Betta
IEMA stated that NEBOSH Diploma is no longer accepted for graduate/associate membership, the cut off date for acceptance was approximately 2 years ago. The IEMA certificate seems to be the one and I have been allocated funding already by my employer, so it seems the logical route.
Thanks for the responses
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I think to implement the system you need a range of skills and courses. I think the guys have given you the most obvious but you could do with some time shadowing an environmental manager/practitioner to get to grips with how it looks. Cant put a price on practical experience
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