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LATCHY  
#1 Posted : 25 March 2013 13:16:03(UTC)
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LATCHY

Whilst conducting an audit the other day in a factory relocation project I was taken a back when I walked on to the factory floor every operative did not have a hard hat, I immediately asked the client why this was so? The answer was that the clients health and safety adviser had deemed the site an installation and that hard hats were no longer needed, people where still working at height and there were a number of MEWPS, Scissor lifts and cherry pickers on the job that alone indicates work at height as he made the right choice and does the fact that it is classed has an installation change health and safety regulation, this is mererly a question and I do not want to offend anyone by asking the question in the wrong way or answering questions in the wrong way. Views please
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 25 March 2013 13:26:01(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

LATCHY wrote:
Whilst conducting an audit the other day in a factory relocation project I was taken a back when I walked on to the factory floor every operative did not have a hard hat, I immediately asked the client why this was so? The answer was that the clients health and safety adviser had deemed the site an installation and that hard hats were no longer needed, people where still working at height and there were a number of MEWPS, Scissor lifts and cherry pickers on the job that alone indicates work at height as he made the right choice and does the fact that it is classed has an installation change health and safety regulation, this is mererly a question and I do not want to offend anyone by asking the question in the wrong way or answering questions in the wrong way. Views please
Hard to judge unless we have sight of the risk assessment. What do you mean by a factory relocation? Do you mean just removing items from the building and transferring them across to a new factory or do you mean taking down the factory building and relocating it?
damelcfc  
#3 Posted : 25 March 2013 13:29:41(UTC)
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damelcfc

What are the chances of something falling from above onto the heads of those working below? If there is no risk identified then no need for hard hats.
LATCHY  
#4 Posted : 25 March 2013 13:42:58(UTC)
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LATCHY

A Kurdziel wrote:
LATCHY wrote:
Whilst conducting an audit the other day in a factory relocation project I was taken a back when I walked on to the factory floor every operative did not have a hard hat, I immediately asked the client why this was so? The answer was that the clients health and safety adviser had deemed the site an installation and that hard hats were no longer needed, people where still working at height and there were a number of MEWPS, Scissor lifts and cherry pickers on the job that alone indicates work at height as he made the right choice and does the fact that it is classed has an installation change health and safety regulation, this is mererly a question and I do not want to offend anyone by asking the question in the wrong way or answering questions in the wrong way. Views please
Hard to judge unless we have sight of the risk assessment. What do you mean by a factory relocation? Do you mean just removing items from the building and transferring them across to a new factory or do you mean taking down the factory building and relocating it? Building machinery on site and in situ massive ovens etc,replacing all electrics, putting a new water supply complete excavation around site, it was an empty space and now is starting to take effect of a shop floor making paints
LATCHY  
#5 Posted : 25 March 2013 13:46:56(UTC)
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LATCHY

damelcfc wrote:
What are the chances of something falling from above onto the heads of those working below? If there is no risk identified then no need for hard hats. Very true but if somone is working at height and there were a few operatives doing this task around the sit, surely the risk assessment if completed properly would indicate a potentail risk and would it not be as far as is reasonably practicable to wear hard hats on site
damelcfc  
#6 Posted : 25 March 2013 14:20:59(UTC)
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damelcfc

It really does depend Latchy. If the workers at height are behind heras fencing with signage for example. Is there an increased risk of something falling onto someone below because of the operations taking place or actually is it no more than a 'working' factory environment (where hard-hats are not common place). Don't ass-u-me construction site = hard hat. As you will recognise PPE is way down the hierarchy and don't insist on wearing where there is no hazard present - this is a poor management option (like ear-plugs when no noise).
LATCHY  
#7 Posted : 25 March 2013 14:34:57(UTC)
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LATCHY

That is a valid point and a fair comment.
davidjohn#1  
#8 Posted : 27 March 2013 23:19:54(UTC)
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davidjohn#1

As already stated a risk assessment should identify the relevant risks but just because working at height is taking place does no mean an automatic blacket hard hat requirement. If it's a large space and only a few MEWPS/Ladders are in use, you could corden off around them, so if anything was to fall i.e.tools etc it's within the cordened off area thus eleviating the need for all operatives across the site having to wear hard hats. If on the other hand the space is small or more significant building works are taking place at height then you may want hard hats. I recently got told I need full PPE incluing task specific gloves to go onto a site just to inspect and look around as the client. I questioned the need for task specific gloves as I am not operating tools, handling equipment or materials etc but site rules stated everyone wheres gloves.
damelcfc  
#9 Posted : 28 March 2013 08:09:34(UTC)
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damelcfc

davidjohn#1 wrote:
I recently got told I need full PPE incluing task specific gloves to go onto a site just to inspect and look around as the client. I questioned the need for task specific gloves as I am not operating tools, handling equipment or materials etc but site rules stated everyone wheres gloves.
This is a good example of poor management and why we get a bad press. Might as well kit up in breathing apparatus in case there is a chemical attack.
firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 28 March 2013 14:31:20(UTC)
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firesafety101

SP900308  
#11 Posted : 28 March 2013 15:16:33(UTC)
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SP900308

I find it hard to believe that this type of installation wouldn't offer a risk of head injury? Pipe-work, bracketing, falling objects, works within enclosures, work at height adjacent to / below columns / beams etc etc. However, based on the information provided I could easily be wrong!
boblewis  
#12 Posted : 29 March 2013 10:14:00(UTC)
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boblewis

Sometimes these things are political and the client is attempting to allay problems with his own staff and their use of hard hats. He will not normally issue them and thus wants to avoid the idea that this is a necessity because of the construction work. Just remember that if something happens it will not be the client who has to explain. The work is construction almost certainly, and thus subject to CDM07 to some extent. Bob
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