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Can anyone point me in the direction of guidence for fixed wiring testing, I know most places are every five years but is this for all enviroments?
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Try the IEEE Regs, 17th edition. But, from memory they don't specify the time, I think its dependant on location, i.e. not the same for an office as an "adverse" environment (quarry).
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jonty,
It's the IEE wiring regulations the IEEE are the other side of the "pond"! ;)
jarsmith,
Not a bad post, but the intervals given are base on those in GN3.
These are not cast in stone, and they are not valid for every premise of that type.
The interval to first inspection is defined by the designer on the original installation certificate, and following the first periodic (EICR/PIR) the interval to the next inspection is defined by the person undertaking that work.
This means that the designer, & inspector must have above average levels of competence to correctly define these periods.
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As ever Paul, well said. The last line so true mate
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jay,
I know EXACTLY when the IEE & IIE merged as my memberships were merged at the same time.
Pick up your copy of the current version of BS7671 & "READ" the spine & the front cover please.
If you don't have a copy then please don't comment on what you don't understand, else you could make a fool out of yourself, again.
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quote=paul.skyrme]jonty,
It's the IEE wiring regulations the IEEE are the other side of the "pond"! ;)
jarsmith,
Not a bad post, but the intervals given are base on those in GN3.
These are not cast in stone, and they are not valid for every premise of that type.
The interval to first inspection is defined by the designer on the original installation certificate, and following the first periodic (EICR/PIR) the interval to the next inspection is defined by the person undertaking that work.
This means that the designer, & inspector must have above average levels of competence to correctly define these periods.
Paul,
not sure if the last line was a comment or aimed at me as the poster, I am not intending to inspect I wanted the information for a fire R/A as I didn't want to say that 5 yearly inspections was ok, when it was say a two or three year inspection for that particular environment. So I always work on when in doubt ask.
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Inflict us,
Not a dig at you at all.
Just a warning to everyone, that the people you select to undertake design & I&T of fixed electrical installations must have above average competence in many areas.
Not all those calling themselves electricians in the market at the moment actually are truly competent to undertake all such aspects of commercial & industrial works.
After all 5 days training cannot teach one to be an electrician with no prior competence, however, this situation is occurring in the industry & I see it regularly.
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Invictus,
Sorry, blinking auto correct on this silly computing device & I did not notice it had changed the word!
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http://www.niceic.com/
This website has a lot of useful information. It is worth pointing out that the competence to inspect is different than that to install.....
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To be honest guys, all good links and advice but the answer would be to contact the insurer and ask for their requirements in writing.
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Quite Darren,
However, any installer who energises their own work, MUST be competent to inspect & test their own work.
However, the competence to I&T their own work, is completely different to that for I&T'ing the work of another, or that of the competence for Periodic Inspections to complete an EICR.
To complete an EICR, the inspector & tester must have an above average level of competence, and knowledge of the systems and the type of installation, including knowledge of the requirements at the time of installation.
I know the NIECEIC site quite well, we have our annual AC assessment next Thursday!
As I am the QS & PDH for the NICEIC AC that I am employed by, amongst other things!
jarsmith,
I have discussed this with clients in the past, they have checked and been told that they don't know!
Or to get the advice of a competent electrician.
I realise that it is the insurers risk, but, should they really be dictating this interval when they have no in depth knowledge of the installation?
Would they be competent to make this statement?
You'll then get into the arguments of "the insurance company requires it every 5 years, why have you put 3 years on this EICR, you're ripping me off"!
Remember it is down to the inspector to dictate the next interval to inspection, "he" may well have reason to reduce this, due to issues that have been found during the I&T.
(Zimmy, I have PG for the day Thursday!) ;)
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Cheers Paul. Please give PG my respects and best wishes to his family. I hope to bump into him here at BSC mansions :-)
My advice, listen to Paul S. He really does know what he is talking about. 5 Day sparks...My .....Nearly said a bad word there...Good job I've turned over a new leaf ;-)
Its is the tester who sets the dates for re-test but the licensing people have times set in stone. If they say every year then every year it is...Or sooner!
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Thanks for the response's
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Paul - I do agree and can't fault on your response. We had a similar argument with the insurers in a previous post of mine ("your ripping us of") unfortunately we had to comply with the insurers recommendations after considerable discussion.
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