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Probably for the legal bods. We send our workforce for annual Health Surveillance. The results go to them. We get nothing, this has been generally agreed.
Therefore we do not know if they are fit for work.
Is it acceptable for us to check. how do we monitor our fitness to work programme.
All advice welcome.
Tony
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A summary of the health surveillance results should come to you or there is little point in doing it. As an employer it is your job to monitor the health of employees who may be at risk of occupational illness and as long as the confidential assurances are adhered to then there is no reason why you cannot see the results of hearing, eyesight, respiratory examinations etc. Employees can decide to withhold some information, but you would normally be told that they are and that any medical referral was taking place. How can you expect to reduce the risk of occupational illness if you don't know the results? How can you ensure an employee who has the early stages of NIHL for example, be monitored to ensure he wears his hearing protection, and be able to monitor it year on year, if you don't know the results? How can you put a hold on a individual using a vibrating tool if he is exhibiting the early signs of HAV's for example, if you don't know the results? Generally speaking, employees that pass the surveillance are classified as fit for work, but the details of their testing would still be released to you. I would suggest changing your Occ Health Monitoring provider.....
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Hi Tony,
The situation you have, as you have realised, completely defeats the primary objective of health surveillance, which is to protect employees and to check the effectiveness of risk assessments and controls.
If you aren't provided with the results of health surveillance you can't act if things have gone wrong, you may also be in breach of RIDDOR for not reporting instances of ill health/diseases as well as breaching other Regs (HAVS, COSHH etc.)
I wonder if there has been some confusion over the difference between health records and medical records, a mistake you could expect from am employer but not from a reputable OH provider.
I would suggest that you check out the HSE page on Health Surveillance, particularly the section on 'Record Keeping' and then review your arrangements for OH provision.
The health surveillance is for the employer in order to maintain its statutory obligation, and your duty is to inform the employee of the results, not the other way round.
Regards Lisa B
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"The health surveillance is for the employer in order to maintain its statutory obligation, and your duty is to inform the employee of the results, not the other way round"
Which doesn't exactly comply with below:
"The occupational health (OH) professional may obtain data as the result of an immunisation programme (for example, blood titres or 'non responder' information). This information will be provided to the employee and should not be given to the employer. It will be kept in confidence by the OH professional and should only made known to the employer with the employee's consent"
"The doctor or nurse should only provide employers with information on fitness to work and any restrictions that may apply in that respect. Employees can have access to their own medical record through a written request under the Data Protection Act link to external website. These details can only be released to third parties, such as the employer, on receipt of the informed written consent of the employee, or by a court order"
(http://www.hse.gov.uk/health-surveillance/record-keeping/index.htm#not-contain)
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It’s virtuously pointless carrying out screening unless you get some output - any reasonable occupational health provider should provide you with a fit/unfit note following the individuals screening. (As previously mentioned you won’t be able to see any detail behind this without the (written) consent of the individual involved). They should also advise you, as Lisa has mentioned, if any reportable diseases have been identified.
If someone is deemed unfit than you’ll have to determine the cause (again only if you get their consent) and then see what you can do to either get them ‘fit’ or move them into alternative employment.
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John,
The paras you have quoted are about 'medical records' not health records there is a distinct difference.
Immunisations are invasive and so would in my understanding be considered as 'medical' rather than 'health', but stand to be corrected on this.
The first line of that page does say "A health record must be kept for all employees under health surveillance" and then goes onto list what it should include. The duty is the employers, not anyone elses.
Either way Tony's company should still receive the results of the health surveillance in order to manage the risks and to protect the worker.
I don't think any of us dispute this do we.
Regards Lisa
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I imagine any confusion stems from what is meant by ‘employers duty’. The employer has the duty to carry out health surveillance & keep the statutory records – however the laws on consent mean that all an employer can receive (without consent) from the OH provider is a fit/unfit note & suggestions for referral for suspected occupational diseases.
The employer cannot hold the detailed results of the screening – this can only be held by the health provider and cannot be seen without consent.
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I agree, there seems to be some confusion over health records with regard to screening for a work related issue and medical records that pertain to other issues.
So if we are screening to detect if a work related exposure to a chemical is being metabolised in (or otherwise affecting) one of our employees, it is our right to receive the info directly and to act upon the information received. If however the report for some reason also contains information about a condition unrelated to work (i.e. a skin condition completely unrelated to work) then we would not be entitled to receive it without permission - but then I would not expect a screening report to contain such stuff.
Are we getting confused with a fit to work report (Fit-Note)? Health screening is not meant to determine if someone is fit for work or not - it's to detect if someone is being affected by the work they are doing - two entirely different things.
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I agree with Palmer 20061, they will only tell you if the person is fit in each area, not if they are starting to show signs of an issue. They will only tell you once it is too late!
What fun the conversations with a health service provider which is national.
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I take it all back 8-{
We are only entitled to Fit or Fit but with restrictions or Unfit, unless we have the employees consent. HSE's own web pages say it.
Naturally, I would expect the medical profession should be advising individuals if they are being affected by their work and told they really ought to disclose this to their employer - but if they choose not to - then I suspect "volenti" kicks in?
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The situation described at #1 does seem...........................rather 'unusual'! Consent them and get the report! Or save your money!
To add to the other comments, I don't think that you will find that the Access to Medical Reports Act 1988 applies to those situations, where the doctor who examines you is not responsible for your clinical care.
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Take a look at Regulation 11 (9) of COSHH.
"Where, as a result of health surveillance, an employee is found to have an identifiable disease or adverse health effect which is considered by a relevant doctor or other occupational health professional to be the result of exposure to a substance hazardous to health the employer of that employee shall
(a) ensure that a suitably qualified person informs the employee accordingly and provides the employee with information and advice regarding further health surveillance
(b) review the risk assessment
etc., etc."
This requirements placed on the employer to respond are further amplified in the ACoP.
How is the employer going to comply with COSHH if he is not informed about the specific situation?
Chris
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The Vibration Regs say similar to what Chris P has posted about COSHH. The Vib Regs also go into detail about what the doctor should disclose (para 347). It also states that if the group is large enough to allow anonymity the actual results of the group can be shared with the employer. (para 354).
Are we being bogged down a little about the detail and whether consent is required, surely a report of 'fit' 'fit with restrictions' or 'unfit' is enough to tell you that you need to do more to protect that worker, the possibility that controls have failed and that you should review your risk assessment.
You probably don't need the exact detail of results to do something about it.
Great debate everybody!
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It would appear there is nothing in that regulation to compel an employee to inform his employer of such a condition or, gives the employer the right to access such information about one of his employees. Only that the employer should act upon such information if notified.
I agree - it's impossible to comply without the consent of the employee. From the HSE website with specific regard to Health Records:
"The doctor or nurse should only provide employers with information on fitness to work and any restrictions that may apply in that respect. Employees can have access to their own medical record through a written request under the Data Protection Act . These details can only be released to third parties, such as the employer, on receipt of the informed written consent of the employee, or by a court order."
This guidance is specifically related to "Health Records" as separate from "Medical Records". But even medical records are subject to restrictions and can only be released with consent:
"Medical records are compiled by a doctor or nurse and may contain information obtained from the individual during the course of health surveillance. This information may include clinical notes, biological results and other information related to health issues not associated with work. This information is confidential and should not be disclosed without the consent of the individual."
Maybe a classic case of one set of regulations (Data Protection) in conflict with another?
Source info: http://www.hse.gov.uk/he...ndex.htm#medical-records
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and of course, back in the real world;
Over a coffee, perhaps once a week, with your OH person, you discuss anything and everything ABSOLUTELY concerning individuals and results, fit/unfit, attendance, stress, dse, audio, face-fit, spiro, height, weight, shoe-size, mental health, inside leg....
Because of your excellent working relationship, professionalism and integrity built up over time of course this conversation ABSOLUTELY never happened and nor would/should it.......
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