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AM1  
#1 Posted : 02 May 2013 12:05:01(UTC)
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AM1

Who is ultimately responsible if the driver falls? Is the loading agent at all responsible? Scenario: warehouse site that owns 0 delivery vehicles. They do not own the material going in or out the warehouse nor do they have any responsibility organising or planning for the HGVs that arrive to site to deliver or collect. So, HGV flatbed arrives to site. Driver needs to climb onto flatbed to remove tarpaulin. Driver falls and injures himself / herself (hypothetically). I am aware of the flatbed fall protection aids that are available, but who's responsiblity is it to provide? the drivers employer can't really install fall protection systems at all sites they go to as they would go bust! The drivers do not work for the loading/unloading agent nor do the vehicles belong to them, nor does the agent have any input to the vehicles arriving to site. The loading/unloading agent takes no part in securing / unsecuring the load. Do we therefore have any responsiblity for the driver while he/she is up on the flatbed? I know we are responsible for their safety on our site in other ways (slip/trip, other vehicle movements, FLT activity etc).
james fleming  
#2 Posted : 02 May 2013 12:44:05(UTC)
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james fleming

In my opinion; the employer is responsible for the driver whilst going to various sites to pick up and drop off cargo and in this instance the direct fall from the flat bed. If the site has contributed to the accident, for example there were pot holes in the ground that caused a fall whilst walking round the flat bed, then they would share some responsibility. However, it would be expected for your employer to risk assess this. Regardless if that site is 10 or 100 miles away. However, if the driver has climber up and fell from the flat bed itself, his/her employer will carry the can. I’m not too clued up on the fall arrests for flat bed and the cost of installing them. However, if you look at the driver falling from a flat bed and they are critically ill and off work the cost of that could be a lot. Whilst it could be argued that installing these control measures at each site is not reasonably practicable, what other control measures are in place to prevent a fall from the flat bed?
SP900308  
#3 Posted : 02 May 2013 13:25:42(UTC)
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SP900308

AM1, The warehouse site has to be in control of contractors / deliveries / collections etc. The warehouse (Client) therefore has to be satisfied as to the management arrangements of each company and how they plan to carry out their works safely! Unless I misinterpreted your post?
Palmer20061  
#4 Posted : 02 May 2013 13:29:35(UTC)
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Palmer20061

Responsible in what sense? Responsible in the eyes of the HSE or the insurer? In my experience you’ll be considered jointly responsible by the HSE – I assume your role is to load the lorries & it’s reasonable for you to expect the drivers will have to access the flatbeds and the HSE will think you should provide safe access for them to do this, either by something like a sheeting station (fall mitigation once they’re up there?) or crash mats that can be placed around the lorry. In reality if there’s an accident the HSE will probably look at the sizes of the companies involved – if it’s a multi-national haulier they will expect their drivers access arrangements to be better than a single owner-driver and will skew the responsibility accordingly. However there’s no getting around the fact that it’s your site, you’re loading them & you’re letting them access the bed of the lorry. In reality, how you do that absolutely safely every time, is a bit of a mystery. We started using ‘sheeting stations’ at one time at our sites, however it’s not possible to provide a station that meets every vehicles needs & in many instances adds to the risk, the HSE did have guidance on this but withdrew it. We also provided crash mats, but getting the hauliers to use them was a constant battle. As for responsibilities w.r.t. insurers – they’ll agree the degree of responsibility between themselves!
RayRapp  
#5 Posted : 03 May 2013 08:18:53(UTC)
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RayRapp

With regards to employees the duty holder is the employer. The haulier should have written and communicated a risk assessment specifically for the loading/unloading of vehicles. Hence the employer should ensure that their drivers have access to adequate safety controls wherever they are needed and not rely on others to provide a SSoW unless it has been agreed in advance. That said, others will be responsible for non-employees pursuant to s3(1) HSWA and for premises courtesy of the OLA. So, whilst the majority of the onus lies with the employer there could be a shared responsibility if the powers that be consider that the loading/unloading agent have not done all that is reasonably practical to protect drivers. Why do you not provide crash mats?
Steve e ashton  
#6 Posted : 03 May 2013 12:41:31(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

AM1 - you state that you are "aware of the flatbed fall protection aids that are available".... Does that include being aware of the hinged / fold down guard rails which many responsible haulage companies have (retro) fitted to their flatbeds? The drivers' employer is responsible first and foremost - and if he installs lorry mounted protection - then he doesn't need to worry how many sites his fleet visits he will know the drivers are always protected. The warehouse owner might try to insist that all unprotected flatbeds will be turned away - although this may be seen as cutting off ones nose to spite ones face... Steve
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