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We are considering a programme which will permit (and encourage) people to use their own IT kit - laptops - tablets - phones at work, for work.
I'm looking into the implications in terms of inspection, testing, maintenance and would welcome views and experiences from people who have already implemented a scheme like this or who have considered and rejected it. I'd especially welcome comments about the attitude of insurers.
This is for a large business.
Thank you.
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If you were to try and persuade some to provide their own kit for your benefit they might just throw a strop, particularly when you then expect to test and approve it in some way, but without a way to reimburse then for purchase price (pro rata), software, line rental, calls etc. All of that is a tax nightmare that can be disproportionately expensive.
Do expect a big fat NO, as I witnessed during a previous NHS/academic appointment.
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We certainly won't get a big No as long as its voluntary.
A lot of people actively want this, they are already integrating home and work, people on freelance/FTC want to use their own kit rather than having to adapt to company kit on their first day every few weeks/months .
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Just wondering how do you keep data secure?
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What's your plan for those who won't, or can't, or for those who simply change their mind?
Do you provide some nice shiny kit for them, but let others pay for themselves? Or do you try to coerce them into signing up to your scheme, on route to an employment tribunal. And whichever way you try this, keep an eye out for the big bad tax man since when it hits your employee's purse it will surely hit yours so much harder.
Regrettably, whatever way you do this you're going to be between a rock and a hard place.
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Apparently BYOD is the next big thing to hit the IT sector!
Bring Your Own Device.
The IT companies are pushing this...
Not quite sure how it will work...
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An increasingly acute problem in the academic sector is the number of iPods tablets, smartphones and laptops that users expect to connect to a network, either by cable or wirelessly.
I am told that capacity is not a problem, but many of these have inadequate or no virus security protection and create a pool of infection for the transmission of rogue code, from peripheral to peripheral and via the myriad of USB memory storage devices, that is increasingly difficult to manage.
If that brings down your network, or screws a PCL on your key systems - there are several examples of Stuxnet bringing US power stations to a halt in ?2010, and the various cyber warfare events in Iraq that once seeded had been propagated via USB memory sticks - you're in the deep stuff, so a heavy hand is required regarding security provision. Which standard and who pays is another problem to consider.
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The only thing that needs testing is the power supply/charger surely.
Although, given the amount of power supplies with insufficient, or no, emc, I would say you will have a happy time testing them. Especially the interference to other equipment part !
As for virus/malware/adware....
Not much hope there, unless you forbid the equipment connection to a company network.
Or maybe you are going to have each individual item checked for infection/s each time they are presented at work ?
Any item of equipment which has ever had an item of usb connectivity attached should be considered infected. That means anything from a tv usb adaptor to the humble memory stick.
Good luck with that. You'll need it.
Getting people to consent to having a professional examine their gear is also going to be fun..
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JohnMurray - The need for testing power supply/charger units is surely debatable.
Do any forum users know of cases where people have been electrocuted or otherwise harmed by such units? I've posed this question at least once before on this forum and don't recall anyone responding. Even so, the absence of replies doesn't mean that there haven't been any incidents. However, I've not seen or heard of such incidents from other sources, so suspect that such units do not pose a significant risk.
Also, the use of such units is very widespread on trains nowadays. Train operating companies provide 240 volt sockets in railway carriages specifically for passengers to power their laptops and other devices. Similar provision exists in various reference and research libraries where users are not required to subject their equipment for testing or provide proof of it. Though this topic is about employees using their own equipment at work, are they significantly at more risk electrically from the power/charger units of their equipment than railway passengers and library users? I think not.
As others have already suggested there are significant risks to organisations from computer viruses. These need to be considered by employers and tackled appropriately. However, I hope no employer misuses "health and safety" as a (spurious) reason against employees using their own equipment rather than cite the need to prevent/control the business continuity risks posed by computer viruses.
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Will these IT items be allowed to hold company data including data under the data protection acts. If so the company will remain responsible for ensuring the security of it. They are also responsible for ensuring that all data collected held on the IT kit is only collected and stored under the Acts. They must audit all data held for the ICO. Not and list same and use. H&S matters but problems that may occur when IT outside the full control of the company is used.
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Thanks for comments so far.
I'm only interested in the safety aspects of this. Others more qualified than I will be covering off the info sec and data protection issues. The Safety question I wil lhave to answer comes down to "who is going to be responsible for inspection, testing and maintenance?". If someone brings their kit into the office do we subject it to the same regime that I would if it belonged to the company or do I do something different?
I would really like to hear from anyone who has implemented this type of programme - or whose company is thinking of doing it.
I was interested in Grahams comment - I too doubt that anyone has ever had a serious electrical injury from a laptop or phone. But power supplies in many of our buildings are from floor boxes and power cables frequently get trapped and partially cut. If I've seen one strand of bare copper in a power supply cable I've seen a dozen (I have two on my desk right now). One day someone is going to run their hands along a power cable and find that bare copper by touch. If that copper belongs to the company - then we are fully responsible for it - but what happens if it belongs to a member of staff?
How about:
1. I specify what type of equipment is "In scope" - eg laptops, mobile phones, "tablet computers", and their power supplies. And also that it is for "personal use" equipment not to share for teh purposes of work.
2. I specify that anyone bringing their own equipment in to work is responsible for user inspection (and tell them how to do it)
3. I specify that any equipment in the office is subject to inspection/testing - and if found to be dangerously faulty - the owner will be required to remove it.
The company will have to pick up the tab for formal inspectino and test - and run the risk that people will bring in every bit of electrical equipment for a bit of free safety inspection.
I will never be able to create a reliable register of equipment - so I'm going to have very knowledge about when a piece of equipment next needs inspection or test.
I'm accepting a degree of risk - since If I test a third parties piece of equipment and someone then gets hurt by that kit (including possibly the owner of it) then I will probably bear a degree of liability - but that's one for the insurance boys to worry about.
any further thoughts?
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If you are allowing the electrical equipment to be used in your undertaking then it must comply with your "business" requirements and standards, else what is the point in having them.
However, these power supply cables that are damaged and cut are obviously being utilised in an unsuitable manner.
If the only supplies are from floor boxes and the equipment supplied from these is getting regularly damaged, then they are not suitable and you should not be using them.
Another however, the cable you have on your desk showing "bare" copper, what voltage is going through this, is it actually a live conductor that is bare?
Floor boxes are not suitable for frequent connections & disconnections. (That is FULL STOP!)
It sounds like the electrical installation in your premises is not suitable for its current use, it may have been when installed, but the use has changed, and the installation has not, that is not acceptable.
When the use changes the installation must change too.
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richardperry1066 wrote:We are considering a programme which will permit (and encourage) people to use their own IT kit - laptops - tablets - phones at work, for work.
I'm looking into the implications in terms of inspection, testing, maintenance and would welcome views and experiences from people who have already implemented a scheme like this or who have considered and rejected it. I'd especially welcome comments about the attitude of insurers.
This is for a large business.
Thank you.
From a safety perspective I don't see any issue. Advise on ongoing user checks of leads and plugs etc, bolstered by a PATest every 2-4 years...leaning to the latter.
Easy peasy.
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