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epideave  
#1 Posted : 23 May 2013 10:32:57(UTC)
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epideave

hi all, was wondering if anyone had views on time period to refresh training, i have always done it at 3 year period but a new member to the company has seen a cash saving due to certificates showing 5 year validity date, anyone got anything in legislation form apart from reg 9 in puwer giving a time period would be good for me to move forward on ? many thanks
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 23 May 2013 10:52:48(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

refresher training for what?
epideave  
#3 Posted : 23 May 2013 10:54:43(UTC)
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epideave

wheeled crane capable of picking up 50t
imwaldra  
#4 Posted : 23 May 2013 15:58:44(UTC)
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imwaldra

Unless there's an external standard that requires 'refresher training', why would you do it at all? I'm referring of course to skills that are regularly exercised at work after the initial training and competence assessment, not to things like emergency response where the skills may not be exercised regularly. If the crane is being used regualrly, your normal supervision systems should pick up any evidence that the operator's skills are not what they should be. If there's no such evidence and you want reassurance, don't bother redoing any training, just carry out whatever competence assessment was used originally. If the person passes, you've just demonstrated no need to waste resources on 'refresher training'. If they have any areas of weakness, just 'refresh' these and retest. Initially you could do the competence reassessment at the same interval as the previous refresher training. If every operator passes easily, you could extend the interval - just as you would with inspection/maintainence intervals for equipment.
jarsmith83  
#5 Posted : 23 May 2013 16:11:33(UTC)
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jarsmith83

imwaldra wrote:
Unless there's an external standard that requires 'refresher training', why would you do it at all? I'm referring of course to skills that are regularly exercised at work after the initial training and competence assessment, not to things like emergency response where the skills may not be exercised regularly. If the crane is being used regualrly, your normal supervision systems should pick up any evidence that the operator's skills are not what they should be. If there's no such evidence and you want reassurance, don't bother redoing any training, just carry out whatever competence assessment was used originally. If the person passes, you've just demonstrated no need to waste resources on 'refresher training'. If they have any areas of weakness, just 'refresh' these and retest. Initially you could do the competence reassessment at the same interval as the previous refresher training. If every operator passes easily, you could extend the interval - just as you would with inspection/maintainence intervals for equipment.
Its a legal requirement for Asbestos (annually): Refresher training Refresher training should not be a repeat of the initial training. It should be given at least once a year and be appropriate to the workers' familiarity with the work. Therefore, depending on the individual training need it could be a structured update training session or a short toolbox talk refreshing experienced workers of the main principles/ expectations. The training should be tailored to meet the training needs: work methods change the type of equipment used to control exposure changes or the type of work being carried out changes significantly.
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 23 May 2013 17:05:13(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I'm with imwaldra.
alexmccreadie13  
#7 Posted : 23 May 2013 18:11:25(UTC)
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alexmccreadie13

No offence to anyone but IMO I would carry out refresher training purely and simply to ensure complacency does not set in. I would not disagree with a 3 year timespan. Remember this is IMO. Regards Alex
godscrasher  
#8 Posted : 23 May 2013 21:51:02(UTC)
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godscrasher

I would agree with the above. But: Would you only apply this to safety critical roles? Would you want a welder tested every 3 years if he is doing the job every day? compared to: A Loading shovel driver who does the job every day being refreshed every 3 years? Who and what would be required to be refresher trained and on what equipment?
jarsmith83  
#9 Posted : 24 May 2013 16:00:32(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Very interested in the responses. Refresher training can be as simple as a toolbox talk and you could concentrate on different elements of the task. I would be dead against 3 yearly let alone 5 yearly! Are you not referring to re-training? In that case 5 yearly would be fine. We do not issue paper certs, we prefer e-certs.
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