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Does anyone have any experience of working with fuel tankers, with respect to maintenance and breakdown work on these vehicles, and if you do, would you be willing to help me.
I'm trying to determine where the need for a specific DGSA starts and stops with regard to the above activities. Do you absolutely need this qualification to designate working conditions when regular vehicle maintenance or breakdown which could include full vehicles. Or does this qualification only cover the actual carriage( incl start and end destinations)?
ADR seems to understand emergency situations may require changes of destinations etc and that some activities by others which the transport of fuel is not their main business may be exempt. But if someone has first-hand knowledge and would be willing to help I would appreciate it ( yes I'm still trying to determine if this aspect is outside of my competence etc)
Obviously, when in the workshop, things like Isolation of electrics, hot works, security, vapour release, repairs to ADR standards ( Wiring etc), incident management need to be considered, but pointers to any other guidance etc would be appreciated.
Thanks
Chris
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I would say no there is not a requirement for you to be a DGSA, and you could apply the exemption in CDG Regulations. The reason being as it appears the business is not the transport of DG per se.
However I would ensure all or a % your maintenance staff were ADR certified, as this would be more beneficial than having a DGSA qualified member of staff.
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Thanks phargreaves04
No we don't contract to carry fuel, but may need to move and work on full vehicles. Yes we have a number of ADR certified drivers. However I'm still trying to get to the bottom of what we can and should not do.
I don't think I need to be or need to employ a DGSA with the qualification that goes with it. I just need (he says) to go through every repair process we may want to do and decide if it could be carried out while the vehicle is not empty, including recovery of the vehicle (depending on what has happened to it).
Again thanks for your input. If anyone knows of any informative reading matter on this somewhat specialist subject, I would be grateful to be pointed in the right direction.
Chris
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DGSA is primarily about safety in the supply chain...from the information you have given here, you are not supplying (Transporting) or storing dangerous goods. The aspects of vehicle safe entry to garages can be done under a simple permit, although the rouble comes when the guys bring a loaded vehicle in for a service and find you need to burn some bolts off...!! It will then have to be emptied and made safe.
I designed a system for oxygen and hydrogen vehicle maintenance so pm me if you need any more.
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If a tanker has broken down then the recovery vehicle does not come under the provisions of ADR. There is a specific exemption under ADR 1.1.3.1
pm me if you want, I am a DGSA and work closely with our vehicle commercial side, who regularly repair fuel/bitumen tankers etc.
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Thanks both for your input. I went and discussed the issue with the manager about what they actually do ( and specifically asked about the oxy/ acetylene bottles I could see. They claim they never burn off bolts on these tankers, or use grinders in the workshop when the vehicles are in ( not just the one they are working on). They claim they use nut splitters and force things off instead.
Can't work out why my predecessor had not done a RA and created a safe working system, they have apparently been carrying out the work for years. It's been a long week and I moved office today (I was really hoping for Friday fun).
It seems full tankers are serviced and taken for other checks on the road. Also may be full when they break down. They seem to be doing most things I currently would expect, but want to look into the requirements deeper just to make sure.
Thanks Phargreaves04 for your offer I may take you up on it, once I have finished reading that 650 page ADR document. Something to look forward to next week.
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