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Garysul  
#1 Posted : 05 June 2013 09:22:54(UTC)
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Garysul

Firstly apologies for the length of the post !!! It is clear to me that if a risk is controlled by RPE (Whether that be short-term or long term) that the employees who are expected to wear the masks (in this case) need to undergo face fit testing (completed by a competent person) and training etc. My query/question is, if following a full site wide dust sampling survey (COSHH assessment/dust level assessment) it shows that levels are significantly below the W.E.L. And therefore RPE is not required to control the risk, should the site provide or legally do they need to provide face fit testing to an employee who requests to still wear a mask? Legally we do not need to provide RPE for any tasks (Engineering controls now in place) so we could just remove them (clearly have a small amount kept of site to deal with any emergency spillages etc), but we have a large number of employees requesting that they still have the option to wear them. There is work we still need to do on and around communication to the workforce on the reason RPE is no longer required (LEV now in place) and show the findings of the survey to validate this, but just would like some advice/suggestion of question of face fit testing for occasion use.
Kate  
#2 Posted : 05 June 2013 10:39:33(UTC)
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Kate

If RPE is required to be used occasionally, such as for spillages, then it still needs fit testing. If it isn't required to be used then it isn't one of your COSHH control measures and there can be no requirement to fit test it or maintain it or anything else.
Garysul  
#3 Posted : 05 June 2013 11:21:49(UTC)
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Garysul

Thank you for taking the time to post a reply Kate, the areas where we have the risk of spillages (Dry powders such as flour) we will continue to provide face fit testing and training for employees in this area. I guess a second question is if employees request RPE in areas where they are not required (highest readings are less the 5mg/m3) do we need to provide them? As if we do, then will need to provide face fit testing for these employees, which if some do want them but other don't will be difficult to manage. I would say we don't and need to manage this internal PR issue to explain why the RPE is not required. I am right in this assumption? Or is there a section is COSHH or PPE reg's that's states we do?
Salis  
#4 Posted : 05 June 2013 12:08:44(UTC)
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Salis

The main point is what does the Risk assessment say? If the Risk assessment indicates no PPE is required then there is your answer. But to reinforce Kate answer, the purpose of the fit test is to ensure the RPE fits, if it doesn't its like a chocolate fire guard.
Kate  
#5 Posted : 05 June 2013 12:25:20(UTC)
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Kate

If RPE isn't required then you don't need to provide it. And if it isn't required but is used anyway outside of your requirements, then no need to fit test it. Although you would need to be able to explain if challenged (1) that RPE isn't required which is why you aren't fit testing and (2) why you are providing RPE that isn't required! One approach you could take is to provide a basic disposable dust mask that can be used if people want it, on the basis that it's provided for comfort and not for health and using it is entirely optional and not one of your COSHH control measures. However if people are asking for RPE you should ask why! Do they believe there is a risk that the assessment has failed to identify? Might they know something that you don't? This is where the requirement to consult workers about risk assessments comes in.
silberfee  
#6 Posted : 05 June 2013 18:03:55(UTC)
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silberfee

I agree, what does the RA say? Why do they feel that they still need the RPE? Cultural behaviour can take a while to change but consultation is key to the process. I do have a question Kate if you dont mind. You say 'if it isn't required but is used anyway outside of your requirements, then no need to fit test it.' Why? Surely if you provide it you should make sure they are wearing it correclty?? Am I being too simple about this? Would the HSE not take the view that as you are providing it then you are responsible for making sure its suitable, sufficent and fits? Althought my take would be if we didnt need to provide it we wouldnt provide it, our Senior team would welcome the cost saving!
Kate  
#7 Posted : 05 June 2013 19:50:09(UTC)
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Kate

Suitable and sufficient for what? Normally the answer would be suitable and sufficient for protecting health by preventing inhalation. If the mask isn't meant to protect health as there is no health risk, there's nothing that it needs to be suitable and sufficient for. If it's genuinely not required, then it's not a control measure and it's only the things that are provided as control measures that you have to check, maintain etc. (Have a look at the text of COSHH.) So for example if you provided respirators for a fancy dress party, there's be no need to fit test them.
anorak  
#8 Posted : 05 June 2013 19:57:15(UTC)
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anorak

You have introduced mechanical control measures which negate the need for RPE, you will have to have continual monitoring and sampling of the air to ensure the WEL are below the risk levels. You should be congratulating yourselves for removing the risks to your employees.
teh_boy  
#9 Posted : 06 June 2013 12:48:41(UTC)
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teh_boy

To back up Kate On one of my chemical plants - RPE was worn as the chemical didn't 'smell nice', levels well below the WEL and RPE not required in risk assessment. The chemical also had a high health risk and people liked to wear RPE as an additional 'safety blanket' In my opinion no need to fit test in these situations,
chris42  
#10 Posted : 06 June 2013 13:10:38(UTC)
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chris42

I would also agree with Kate's point of view. If it is not needed then how well it fits is irrelevant. The company should not be wasting money providing it in my view. There is also a danger that someone may assume that a fit test has been done for that employee and ask them to carry out some spill clean up.
leadbelly  
#11 Posted : 06 June 2013 15:59:57(UTC)
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leadbelly

Does the fact that there could be exposure to flour, a known sensitiser, change the situation? LB
Kate  
#12 Posted : 06 June 2013 19:39:17(UTC)
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Kate

The sensitising risk could be grounds to challenge the assessment that RPE is not needed. But in that case the use of RPE would become a requirement and the need for fit testing would just follow from that. You can't have it both ways. The options are: RPE needed and fit test therefore needed RPE not needed and fit test therefore not needed
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