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Ivan Zeassenole  
#1 Posted : 17 June 2013 16:25:22(UTC)
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Ivan Zeassenole

Hi all, first post on the forum but long time reader. Never felt the need to ask a question but I feel now is the time as completely stumped (or seriously having a bad and confused Monday), anyways here goes. Where is it detailed in black and white that a written H&S policy is required for '5 employees or more', apart from the HSE website and many other site etc. I always believed this was detailed in the act itself '2(3)' however to my confusion and obviously at this moment in time poor memory it is not!. Does this just stem from Reg 3 (6) of MHSAW to record RA if you have 5 or more employees or is this 5 or more just guidance to aid the smaller employers and SFARP etc. Much appreciated if any of you pros could clear this up. IZ
Barnaby again  
#2 Posted : 17 June 2013 17:44:46(UTC)
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Barnaby again

The Employers' Health and Safety Policy Statements (Exception) Regulations 1975
Ivan Zeassenole  
#3 Posted : 18 June 2013 09:05:38(UTC)
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Ivan Zeassenole

You legend, thanks!
walker  
#4 Posted : 18 June 2013 09:29:50(UTC)
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walker

You learn something new every day. I'd never come across that reg before
Animax01  
#5 Posted : 18 June 2013 10:42:37(UTC)
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Animax01

I knew the exception was there but assumed that it was cited within The original 1974 act. I'm assuming that the act was passed and then somebody thought we need to make an amendment here... and then the exception was born. Interesting.
Hall900056  
#6 Posted : 18 June 2013 11:32:09(UTC)
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Hall900056

That's interesting, yes learn something new every day. Sounds a bit like the accident book then!
Barnaby again  
#7 Posted : 18 June 2013 11:53:13(UTC)
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Barnaby again

Animax01 wrote:
I knew the exception was there but assumed that it was cited within The original 1974 act. I'm assuming that the act was passed and then somebody thought we need to make an amendment here... and then the exception was born. Interesting.
The Act did at least pave the way by commencing S2(3) with 'Except in such cases as may be prescribed - -'. I wonder if any employers with fewer than 5 employees actually wasted time in preparing one in the 7 months between this Section of the Act and the Regs coming into force:). Unlikely I guess as many larger employers took several years.
Lisa Boulton  
#8 Posted : 18 June 2013 11:55:43(UTC)
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Lisa Boulton

I don't know the other piece of legislation already quoted, I would suggest that Regulation 5 (Health and Safety Arrangements) - Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999 is where the money is as far as the H&S policy is concerned. It requires employers to make arrangements for the effective planning, organising, control, monitoring and reviewing of the preventive and protective measures, and it must be recorded if they have 5 or more employees. Lisa B
Barnaby again  
#9 Posted : 18 June 2013 12:12:51(UTC)
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Barnaby again

Lisa Boulton wrote:
I don't know the other piece of legislation already quoted, I would suggest that Regulation 5 (Health and Safety Arrangements) - Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999 is where the money is as far as the H&S policy is concerned. It requires employers to make arrangements for the effective planning, organising, control, monitoring and reviewing of the preventive and protective measures, and it must be recorded if they have 5 or more employees. Lisa B
Except that the requirement has been in force since November 1975! It was probably to bring the Management Regs in line with the Act, to which they are subordinate. The arrangements to which you refer are really implicit in S2(3) ie the requirement for the employer to include the 'organisation and arrangements' for carrying out the Policy.
Lisa Boulton  
#10 Posted : 18 June 2013 12:26:44(UTC)
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Lisa Boulton

Barnaby, totally agree I did say I didn't know the other legislation............
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