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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 03 July 2013 10:30:51(UTC)
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firesafety101

Scenario as follows: Employees are tasked with drilling holes into 2 mm thick metal cladding, the premises has an asbestos survey report with all areas found to contain ACMs marked up as such. Work was at height on a MEWP and the drilling was at waist height. The area of this work has no such markings so it was presumed no asbestos present. A short while into the drilling operation there was concrete dust and a white material exiting the hole, this dropped to the ground, work stopped immediately and this reported to relevant people. One of the employees had received asbestos awareness training and followed the correct procedure. Samples were taken and subsequently proven to be asbestos. Questions: What RPE should the workers have used ? (They did not expect ACMs to be present) Do the workers need to be seen by a medical practitioner as a matter of course? Is the incident reportable to HSE? If so who should report? Thank you
NickH  
#2 Posted : 03 July 2013 10:51:03(UTC)
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NickH

Just my opinion - happy to be proved wrong: It is reportable under RIDDOR as a dangerous occurrence - (u) Accidental release of any substance which may damage health. I'd suggest it is down to the contractor to report (but I'd liaise with the client on this if they are different parties). CAR 2012 requires medical surveillance, so I'd send to a medical practitioner in order that this is suitably recorded.
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 03 July 2013 11:15:27(UTC)
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firesafety101

nickh thanks, I din't think you are wrong, but would like some guidance on whether respirator was required even though there was a survey report and no indication of potential for ACMs to be present?
NickH  
#4 Posted : 03 July 2013 11:34:20(UTC)
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NickH

Taking into account that asbestos was not expected (following examination of the asbestos report/ management plan); if the original RAMS stated short duration work, with no risk of dust inhalation, why would RPE be required? My opinion - satellite/ cable installers don't use RPE when drilling through walls to install cable/ equipment (not that I've seen anyway). So, if this was assessed as short duration work with no inherent risk of dust inhalation I'd suggest that it was not really foreseeable that RPE would have been required. However, in light of the incident, this is now a different kettle of fish entirely... :)
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 03 July 2013 11:56:12(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Sounds like a lengthy and substantial drilling operation, so yes would seem reportable. Analysts can usually advise on likely exposure at point of release (but outside, the weather conditions will be a deciding factor). Your employees exposed, so your report to HSE. If they aren't otherwise engaged, there's an increased likelihood of them coming to investigate. I trust your 'procedure' included showering and disposal /cleaning of contaminted tools and clothing. The interal colume of the drill (for example) is now likely to be contaminated with asbestos fibres. Presumably this wasn't your workplace. Onus on the host employer/duty holder to determine potential for ACMs before authorising the intrusive work. That's easy to say of course, but the real-life practicality and foreseeability are often a different matter. There's NO legal requirement point or purpose in medical or health surveillance intervention - your people aren't "asbestos workers", so the CAR requirements don't apply. A correct and detailed record of this exposure should be made in the employee permanent record, and they should be given a copy of that record. RPE should (IMHO) have been mandatory due to the dust arising from the normal drilling operation. Attempt should be made to capture or suppress this dust at source, backed up by FFP2 respirator (I think - happy to be corrected). If (non-licensed) ACM work had been anticipated, the Asbestos Task Manual refers on PPE requirements. RPE for that is FFP3.
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 03 July 2013 12:22:37(UTC)
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firesafety101

Thanks Ron, very comprehensive. This was a very short drilling task, almost immediately curtailed due to the suspected presence of asbestos fibres in the dust. Workplace is a road tunnel, closed to traffic, no wind or other weather issues and only a small amount of dust created. Good point about the drill bit - however it was two weeks ago and probably used again many time since??????
paul reynolds  
#7 Posted : 03 July 2013 12:34:13(UTC)
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paul reynolds

Is this white powder confirmed as asbestos ie has the material now been analysed. If so then the information given in previous post is useful, if not then it is all speculation. Regards PaulR
firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 03 July 2013 15:41:23(UTC)
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firesafety101

confirmed.
Ron Hunter  
#9 Posted : 03 July 2013 16:49:58(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I'd still tend to report it, but be guided by the analyst. It's till likely that those with their face up close were exposed above the control limit. Asbestos- the fibres that are microscopic are the ones that harm us. We have natural defences and barriers for the big stuff.
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