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SharonD  
#1 Posted : 03 July 2013 12:13:38(UTC)
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SharonD

Hi I would love some advice. I have just started work for an automotive manufacturer and it seems that all painting operations are outsourced to an offsite contractor. I am happy that this means the risks associated with the spray painting of vehicles is eliminated from here, but would like some advice on where we stand with this outside contractor legally. I believe he is just one guy who operates the painting from his own premesis. I have only worked in construction before where all contractors were on my site, but this contractor is not working from here. I would imagine that I still have to get risk assessments, method statements, insurances etc from him, but is there anyting else I need to be doing? Thanks in advance for your help.
David Bannister  
#2 Posted : 03 July 2013 12:59:47(UTC)
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David Bannister

Why would you want to see RA & MS? His business, his premises, his risks, unless they expose your people or customers. All the rest are quality and financial issues.
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 03 July 2013 13:05:18(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

SharonD wrote:
I would imagine that I still have to get risk assessments, method statements, insurances etc from him quote] No you don't. You have no more legal duty in that regard.
SharonD  
#4 Posted : 03 July 2013 15:06:21(UTC)
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SharonD

Thanks for the replys. You have both been very helpful. We are supplying the paint that is being used. Would that make a difference?
chris.packham  
#5 Posted : 03 July 2013 15:40:08(UTC)
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chris.packham

If you are supplying the paint and have supplied a safety data sheet, the only other thing you might need to consider is providing guidance according to section 6-1 of the Health and Safety at Work Act as to how to use the product safely. How he then uses it is up to him, not you. Of course, under REACH at some stage you will need to provide him with the Exposure Scenario that you will presumably receive from your supplier! Chris
stevedm  
#6 Posted : 04 July 2013 11:46:29(UTC)
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stevedm

Sharon You need to treat this as a supplier audit and the question set and scope would be around 18001 to ensure they have the appropriate control measures in place..if you supply the paint I would be asking why? but that is more cost than H&S... Just ask to come out and carry out an audit of the supplier to see what you think...then if there are any actions he gets them... :)
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 04 July 2013 12:47:00(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

.......whilst bearing in mind that you are under no obligation to conduct supplier audits. I guess the paint is supplied for QA reasons.
m  
#8 Posted : 04 July 2013 12:59:08(UTC)
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m

I would suggest a supplier audit to ensure that they are managing their own H&S. Not legally required but they are associated with your business and therefore your H&S reputation. I would start by sending a questionaire across for policy, named H&S person, insurances and follow up, if local enough, by a site visit. It'll show your good intentions.
sadlass  
#9 Posted : 05 July 2013 17:39:27(UTC)
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sadlass

Good answers - this is an area many H&S people want to get sucked into, but there is no H&S legislative reason you should. In fact, the opposite - by getting involved, you may find you are responsible for something you shouldn't be. Let it be.
firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 05 July 2013 18:15:28(UTC)
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firesafety101

Methinks there is a can of worms just waiting to be opened? Just keep the lid on tight and let the business get on with painting your panels.
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