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Dudz  
#1 Posted : 16 July 2013 12:19:25(UTC)
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Dudz

Can anyone offer any helpful advice on my seasonal problem!? My risk assessments for the business clearly hlghlight that open toed shoes/sandals or flip flops are not permitted to be worn on site. However, despite my very best efforts I have a plethora of deviant women who regular trot into work in exactly that! Sadly we have a management team that are scared of tackling these women, and I'm now getting a backlash from those individuals that do abide by the local regulations. Can anybody out there offer any pearls of wisdom? Any photos - Woman vs Lever Arch file? Anything!?
hopeful  
#2 Posted : 16 July 2013 12:26:58(UTC)
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hopeful

Have you looked at your HR dress code policy and utilise that. However I ask why you have 'banned' these types of footwear - I can understand if it is a building site or staff are required to undertake heavy lifting - surely if it is an office environment there are larger battles to tackle. have a look at your own accident stats and reports to show the importance of correct footwear if there has been an issue in the past.
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 16 July 2013 12:54:01(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

"Deviant women" - I hope they don't use this Forum!
Animax01  
#4 Posted : 16 July 2013 12:55:01(UTC)
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Animax01

It needs to be addressed by your risk assessment. If there is an argument for the shoes then fine. If it is a company dress policy then that needs to be enforced by management. http://www.hse.gov.uk/my...se034-summerfootwear.htm
Dudz  
#5 Posted : 16 July 2013 13:23:27(UTC)
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Dudz

OMG! I meant to put defiant! Thanks for the responses so far! I agree that it is a HR management issue, however my involvement is when weak willed managers refuse to tackle the issue and hide behing 'Elf n Safety as the reason. P.S. I'm a woman, and have never thought as flip flops as acceptable footwear for work, and I patiently await the release of Safety Slingbacks by Arco.
Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 16 July 2013 13:52:09(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Don't know about safety sling backs but in various travels around the continent I have seen some quite trendy safety toe cap clogs and sandals (Sweden, France, Germany and Holland mainly during visits in the summer months) - all EN type approved! They also threw a real curve on a previous H&S Manager when a supplier employee arrived at site and put on a pair of the above (our stated policy was safety toe caps due to possible falling items) - one quick RA re-write and they were subsequently banned which was reported as nothing to do with the surge of internal requests received that July.
Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 16 July 2013 13:52:09(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Don't know about safety sling backs but in various travels around the continent I have seen some quite trendy safety toe cap clogs and sandals (Sweden, France, Germany and Holland mainly during visits in the summer months) - all EN type approved! They also threw a real curve on a previous H&S Manager when a supplier employee arrived at site and put on a pair of the above (our stated policy was safety toe caps due to possible falling items) - one quick RA re-write and they were subsequently banned which was reported as nothing to do with the surge of internal requests received that July.
redken  
#8 Posted : 16 July 2013 14:58:41(UTC)
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redken

http://www.hse.gov.uk/SL...e/7/slidetype1_91021.htm This is the HSE counter to the case 34 mythbuster quoted above.
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#9 Posted : 16 July 2013 15:13:57(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

They are all wrong, and your policy is absolutely right. Where is the 'evidence', the objective reassessment, the thought that there might be some collective reasoning that suggests your policy is unnecessarily restrictive. What evidence have you got, that there is a real risk? Or is it simply another well-intentioned but unnecessary rule that can be relaxed or removed?
bob youel  
#10 Posted : 17 July 2013 07:12:30(UTC)
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bob youel

Go to the top with this and if they will not act record what you have done and move on as that's all U can do as its the top person that pulls the strings
Graham Bullough  
#11 Posted : 18 July 2013 01:30:17(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

For a digression from the main theme of this thread, Wits End sounds like the quirky name of a small hamlet somewhere in England. Though there's apparently nowhere with that name in England, a quick delve on the internet reveals that there is a Wits End in the Drakensberg area of South Africa ! :-) Also, I guess that for some forum users this thread lost some of its allure/intrigue when they read at #5 that the plethora of women were defiant rather than deviant. :-(
ptaylor14  
#12 Posted : 18 July 2013 11:23:33(UTC)
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ptaylor14

dudz wrote:
Can anyone offer any helpful advice on my seasonal problem!? My risk assessments for the business clearly hlghlight that open toed shoes/sandals or flip flops are not permitted to be worn on site. However, despite my very best efforts I have a plethora of deviant women who regular trot into work in exactly that! Sadly we have a management team that are scared of tackling these women, and I'm now getting a backlash from those individuals that do abide by the local regulations. Can anybody out there offer any pearls of wisdom? Any photos - Woman vs Lever Arch file? Anything!?
Just make your recommendations to management and let them enforce any decision that is made.....simples
sadlass  
#13 Posted : 18 July 2013 14:12:12(UTC)
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sadlass

Dudz: "your" risk assessment? You, alone, deciding? Company 'policy' is what the company decide. Collectively via senior management. You advise them on what is reasonable, and why your view would be no open-toed footwear etc. They then decide, because they have to enforce it. In most circumstances, footwear rules just for sake of it is not a viable approach. You will get deviations!! (even defiant ones). However, I have come across incidents involving the base of doors and bare toes. Not serious, and not usually as a result of a 'hazard' as such. Just a life situation. But painful!!! (I speak from personal expereince too.) My approach - give information, (eg as above), make sure creating no actual risk (mowing lawn, using floor polisher, moving & handling stuff, giving cycle training etc) where rules are needed, and then move on.
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