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grumpyB  
#1 Posted : 19 July 2013 16:19:57(UTC)
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grumpyB

Hello All, I'm having trouble finding regulation/legislation covering warning the public of danger. My company wants to put up danger of death signs on the perimeter fencing of our solar parks, planners are calling it advertising, yes honestly! I can find lots of advice etc. about warning employees but not the public. Can anyone give me a link to a regulation or legislation that I can hit them with please? Many thanks Barry
PH2  
#2 Posted : 19 July 2013 16:25:55(UTC)
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PH2

Hi Barry, the Health and Safety (Safety Signs and Signals) Regulations 1996 should cover it. The HSE have a free downloadable ACOP. Have a great weekend! PH2
PH2  
#3 Posted : 19 July 2013 16:29:36(UTC)
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PH2

Barry, I forgot to include BS 5499-10; 2006. Safety Signs including fire safety signs. PH2
grumpyB  
#4 Posted : 19 July 2013 16:31:22(UTC)
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grumpyB

Thanks PH2, I've been looking through that, unless I'm going mad(distinct possibility!) I can only find reference to employees?
chris42  
#5 Posted : 19 July 2013 16:41:49(UTC)
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chris42

This is not about signs as such, is it not Occupiers Liability Act, and so you want to use signs to cover the following issue :- Occupiers Liability Act 1984 1 Duty of occupier to persons other than his visitors. (3)An occupier of premises owes a duty to another (not being his visitor) in respect of any such risk as is referred to in subsection (1) above if — . (a)he is aware of the danger or has reasonable grounds to believe that it exists; . (b)he knows or has reasonable grounds to believe that the other is in the vicinity of the danger concerned or that he may come into the vicinity of the danger (in either case, whether the other has lawful authority for being in that vicinity or not); and . (c)the risk is one against which, in all the circumstances of the case, he may reasonably be expected to offer the other some protection.
Canopener  
#6 Posted : 20 July 2013 12:23:56(UTC)
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Canopener

The planner(s) is absolutely 'barking'!!! Such signs exist on just about every 'significant' electrical installation, such as substations, sewage treatment plants etc. If the signage you wish to display is genuinely 'safety signage' as opposed to something that might be considered 'advertising' with a little safety signage thrown in, then I don't see that the planner(s) can have any reasonable objection. I agree with postings so far, in particular OLA. You could also mention S3 duties and you might also consider MHSWR (the hierarchy of controls), but I think OLA is the best bet. If your signage is genuinely safety signage you could ignore the planners; should they chose to enforce (which once they have reflected on this I very much doubt) they are almost certainly going to end up with egg on their faces. I don't really recommend that as a course of action, as you should be able to sit down and persuade them very easily of the error of their ways.
Zimmy  
#7 Posted : 22 July 2013 12:50:28(UTC)
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Zimmy

Try BS7671 as amended. (17th ed Wiring regs)
grumpyB  
#8 Posted : 22 July 2013 13:56:01(UTC)
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grumpyB

Very many thanks for all of the responses, the OLA seemed to solve the issue, just for info, there was no attempt to sneak any advertising onto the signs, just the off the shelf "Danger of Death" and the like. As I intimated in the op, amazed.
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