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chris42  
#1 Posted : 14 August 2013 16:00:27(UTC)
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chris42

I keep telling people not to use fire extinguishers as door stops and they should be either on a floor stand or on the wall. Ok I know why not to use as door stop, but is there a specific reason they can not be on the floor ( ie have to be in a stand). This is just curiosity on my part and bugging me for some time. My guess would be as they are pressurised if they were to fall the valve may get damaged and release the contents under pressure. Thing is, some of the floor stands don’t seem to provide any extra stability!

Does any body know the answer ? If not, any plausible reasons.

DaveDowan  
#2 Posted : 14 August 2013 16:22:26(UTC)
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DaveDowan

Hi Chris
I dont think it is the case that they cannot be on the floor , if ours are.
Regards Dave
ctd167  
#3 Posted : 14 August 2013 16:26:49(UTC)
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ctd167

I have highlighted this issue in our twice a year fire drill report, needless to say our MD got a hold of this and suprise suprise, nobody props a door open with a fire extinguisher anymore ;-)
walker  
#4 Posted : 14 August 2013 16:27:53(UTC)
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walker

This is not "politically correct" but I reckon using them as door stops would re-inforce their location in the event of a fire and panic.
At least everyone knows where they are!


A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 14 August 2013 16:31:49(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I believe that this was mainly because if left on the damp floor the extinguishers might get rusty. They are also more likely to get knocked over and otherwise damaged. It also looks neater and for some that’s the most important thing!
Psycho  
#6 Posted : 14 August 2013 16:33:59(UTC)
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Psycho

Fire extinguishers should be sited on wall brackets or floor stands where they can be easily seen by persons following an escape route. if the place is not marked with a standor bracket
how do you know it should be there and how woulds you know its missing
its as simple as that also can prevent the bottom corroding and stop it falling over injuring persons
in the old days brackets prevented the bicarb and vinegar mix getting together and setting the things off
Jane Blunt  
#7 Posted : 14 August 2013 16:36:40(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

A Kurdziel wrote:
I believe that this was mainly because if left on the damp floor the extinguishers might get rusty. They are also more likely to get knocked over and otherwise damaged. It also looks neater and for some that’s the most important thing!


That puts me in mind of a conversation I had with a colleague once. They were concerned to try to stop the Fire Service from using too much water on a fire as it would make a mess and damage things. I pointed out that fire tended to make an even bigger mess and cause even more damage, so on balance I would encourage them to try to put it out.

Some people do lose sight of reality!
chris42  
#8 Posted : 14 August 2013 17:05:48(UTC)
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chris42

#4 :o) I know I shouldn't be amused by this, but I am.

#7 After a comment like that just for the briefest of moments makes you think "Ah let em burn"

So to prevent rusting and ensures that everyone knows where to find them (when you need to wedge a door open) oops I mean in a fire. Also the possibility of damage and increased likelihood of being hit over. But no actual requirement as such.

Of course even more of an issue when they are used to wedge a fire door open!

thanks
Chris

Kate  
#9 Posted : 14 August 2013 17:26:29(UTC)
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Kate

The main reason for not keeping them on the floor is to discourage their use as door stops.
PH2  
#10 Posted : 14 August 2013 17:28:37(UTC)
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PH2

BS 5306: 3 recommends that most extinguishers should be hung from a bracket with the handle of the extinguisher 1.5m above floor level. (It does not say why.)

I once raised this point with a fire officer who said that as fire extinguisers should be located near a door, hanging them from a bracket should prevent people knocking them over in an emergency, (possibly blocking the door) make them easier to locate when needed, and easier to grab and run with them to a fire (allegedly).

PH2
David Bannister  
#11 Posted : 14 August 2013 17:33:30(UTC)
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David Bannister

Jane, that sounds similar to the argument against sprinklers - too much water. Compare the output of up to 15 sprinkler heads (usually 1 or 2 will do the job) with several fire fighter's hoses and the argument falls very flat.

In the dim & distant extinguishers were conical with a rounded base as psycho mentions needing to be wall-mounted.

I expect the extinguisher suppliers make a better return on selling stands.
firesafety101  
#12 Posted : 14 August 2013 19:09:29(UTC)
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firesafety101

I usually recommend fire extinguishers to be sited close to a door as it is better to be on the way out and decide to pick one up and use it rather than have to enter a room, building etc. to locate an extinguisher.

They are usually sited near to fire doors that should be kept closed, or else held open by a propriety fire door stop that will release the door to close it on operation of the fire alarm.

If used to hold open a fire door the door will not close when needed so is as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

Get into the habit of not holding doors open with extinguishers and you will not have that problem.
chris42  
#13 Posted : 14 August 2013 21:31:00(UTC)
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chris42

PH2

I was told something similar, I think the NEBOSH course, in that the base of the extinguisher should be one metre above the floor (if on wall bracket). We were told this was because it was easier to pick up and be about the right height to operate.

Firesafety101, I think some of ours are a little too close to the doors.
kevkel  
#14 Posted : 15 August 2013 11:22:04(UTC)
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kevkel

One of the main reasons for locating them on brackets or floor stands it to prevent them being moved. If this happenns the wrong extinguisher will be located with the wrong signage and could be used inappropriately e.g. electrical fire.
If the room is becoming smoke filled or emergency lighting is activated due to outage extinguishers become identifiable by the luminous signs not by extinguisher label.
chris.packham  
#15 Posted : 15 August 2013 12:02:31(UTC)
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chris.packham

I once had a representative from our local fire service visit the warehouse and office that we were operating at the time and insist that all the fire extinguishers were located by the front entrance so that everyone would know where they were!

Needless to say, they remained located at strategic points for use in getting people out safely in the event of a fire.

Chris

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