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achrn  
#1 Posted : 15 August 2013 09:44:13(UTC)
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achrn

WAH regs schedule 6 requires "A portable ladder shall be prevented from slipping during use by - (a)securing the stiles at or near their upper or lower ends; (b)an effective anti-slip or other effective stability device; or (c)any other arrangement of equivalent effectiveness." Tying is obviously preferred where it can be arranged, but I'm interested in the views of others as to whether it remains accepted practice that footing a ladder with a second person is an arrangement 'of equivalent effectiveness'.
frankc  
#2 Posted : 15 August 2013 10:59:18(UTC)
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frankc

achrn wrote:
WAH regs schedule 6 requires "A portable ladder shall be prevented from slipping during use by - (a)securing the stiles at or near their upper or lower ends; (b)an effective anti-slip or other effective stability device; or (c)any other arrangement of equivalent effectiveness." Tying is obviously preferred where it can be arranged, but I'm interested in the views of others as to whether it remains accepted practice that footing a ladder with a second person is an arrangement 'of equivalent effectiveness'.
The 2nd person footing the ladder is an accepted safety measure while accessing ladders. A lot of people (like Sky TV installers) don't have the luxury of a 2nd person due to cost restraints. They have to drll into the wall, fix an anchor bolt and strap the ladder to it. In the old days, the control measure would have been solely tying the ladder off at height. This would unfortunately still require a 2nd person to foot it to do it safely.
SP900308  
#3 Posted : 15 August 2013 11:41:47(UTC)
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SP900308

Agreed that a 2nd person is probably acceptable practice... although there are alternative products on the market and probably more cost effective in the long run!
chas  
#4 Posted : 15 August 2013 14:35:32(UTC)
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chas

You may be interested in the HSE Research Report 205 and the comments therein regarding the footing of ladders.
SP900308  
#5 Posted : 15 August 2013 14:45:47(UTC)
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SP900308

Thanks chas. For me though I would have been more interested if it wasn't 287 pages long! Mind you, if I print the research paper, I could probably stand on it, instead of using a ladder ;)
chas  
#6 Posted : 15 August 2013 14:56:48(UTC)
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chas

You need only read the bits regarding the use of a second person to do the footing. It may affect how you and your staff actually undertake the task.
Graham Bullough  
#7 Posted : 15 August 2013 15:15:17(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

On a jocular note, presumably obese people have an advantage over slender people when footing ladders in that they have notably more weight to apply and prevent the ladder feet from sliding backwards. On a more serious note, it's crucial that anyone footing a ladder knows that they should concentrate on what they are doing, i.e. applying their body weight to the ladder, via one foot on a low rung and/or both hands on the ladder stiles (the long bits which support the rungs), and not allow themselves to be distracted. From time to time I've observed ladder-footers being distracted by gawping at passers-by or being pre-occupied with the displays on their smart phones. For ladder users who have nobody (large or otherwise) to foot their ladders for transient jobs where tying is impractical (e.g. window cleaners) proprietary (e.g. Rojak) or improvised device are strongly advised. Such devices have a notably greater area in contact with the ground - and thus greater frictional resistance to counter sliding - than do ladder feet.
achrn  
#8 Posted : 15 August 2013 15:51:20(UTC)
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achrn

Graham Bullough wrote:
it's crucial that anyone footing a ladder knows that they should concentrate on what they are doing, i.e. applying their body weight to the ladder, via one foot on a low rung and/or both hands on the ladder stiles
The HSE report referenced disagrees with you about how you should be doing it...
sadlass  
#9 Posted : 15 August 2013 15:53:17(UTC)
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sadlass

The research report mentioned (205) - which made Radio 2 at the time - identified that 'how' to foot a ladder was pretty vague, and that a variety (20?) of methods were used by volunteers for the research. It did find that if the ladder was put up, and used, properly, it was as stable as it could be, and that the use of additional securing devices, other than tying, was somewhat redundant, and could even destabilise the ladder, including the method of footing described by Graham (full credit for actually specifying though - rare to find). http://www.hse.gov.uk/fo...lops/ocs/200-299/200_30/ arising from the research, is worth a read. The only researched method which was effective, was somewhat flawed in that it techically overloads the ladder. Because no one method could be agreed, 'the HSE cannot recommend a footing method'. Which is not the same as saying it is unacceptable. That still leaves the employer with the option of 'sfairp' - by examining all the evidence, one could probably then justify the approach taken if footing is used, by making sure staff were aware of the ins & outs.
stuie  
#10 Posted : 15 August 2013 16:40:30(UTC)
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stuie

Rightly or wrongly as a green/wet behind the ears apprentice I was always taught to stand on the bottom rung and hold onto the stiles when footing a ladder - it increases the coefficient of friction to stop the feet from slipping I was told. Long ago I was half the man I am now and as such probably would not have overloaded the ladder :-)
Chris L  
#11 Posted : 16 August 2013 14:01:02(UTC)
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Chris L

Having worked as a decorator for many years and as an enforcement officer for another number of years I do think that footing a ladder (I'm not going to specify how as Graham has already done this very well!) is an acceptable arrangement to ensure that the ladder is stabilised . However, this is dependant on a number of factors that can only be assessed on a case by case basis as all jobs are not the same. Ensuring SFAIRP that all the risks have been assessed prior to using the ladder and that it is not long duration work, will justify using a second person for footing the ladder. A point not commented on was the use of MEWP's/cherry pickers as a substitute for the ladder. Using a second person will incur a cost and if the work involves a number of short duration pieces of work with the ladder then it may become viable (and safer) to use a MEWP (of course this brings it's own risks and considerations).
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