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ianjones  
#1 Posted : 21 August 2013 08:56:49(UTC)
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ianjones

Our site supplies ppe/rpe free (as it should do) and supplies storage etc

the questions has been raised...

if a colleague comes to work with damaged safety boots can we charge him for a new pair?

we are also shortly issuing powered respirator masks to individuals at £25 each
- can we charge them if these are lost or damaged or badly marked?

I believe we can, providing that

A We give them a written briefing sheet to sign when they are issued the equipment stating this and the charge for lost and damaged PPE

B we only charge if it is damage and not if it is wear and tear

C we don't charge anyone who has had it longer than one year (the average life expectancy of the product)

D we supply a locker and bag to keep them in

HSE_Steve  
#2 Posted : 21 August 2013 10:26:03(UTC)
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HSE_Steve

Hi Ian,

I would personally say you shouldn't charge as it's a grey area, however if someone is regularly damaging their PPE, or not taking enough care then it could be a disciplinary matter.

We currently have a policy whereby we give each employee an annual allowance for boots, quite a generous amount to be fair, but if they need to purchase another pair for any reason then they pay themselves. I'm not happy about this and I'm looking to try and change it.

Steve.

achrn  
#3 Posted : 21 August 2013 10:45:29(UTC)
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achrn

Our approach is that all issued PPE is logged and has a defined expected life. We don't have a formalised process for charging for PPE, but people are warned that if they need it replacing more frequently than is reasonable, and don't have a good reason, then it would be a disciplinary matter just as if they were repeatedly damaging any other company equipment.

We've never actually had cause to take any such disciplinary action.
auntysmash  
#4 Posted : 21 August 2013 11:08:14(UTC)
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auntysmash

It's a sticky wicket if you charge, the PPE regs (via sec 9 of HASAWA) are clear that you can't charge for PPE (it doesn't put any caveat on it such as "as long as they don't use more than X masks in Y weeks" etc.)....The best way is to treat it like any other work equipment provided by the company - if there is evidence that the employee is mis-treating equipment you supply for them to do the job then implement the usual plan of initial warnings, then escalating to a disciplinary if absolutely necessary. Best to leave money out of the equation IMHO.

BTW, there are employee legal requirements to look after PPE in the regs if you need them to support warnings / disciplinary action (reg 10).


Stu
MAT  
#5 Posted : 23 August 2013 21:01:34(UTC)
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MAT

Agree fully with points 2,3 and 4 above,. This would be dealt as a potential disciplinary issue if it was proven to be misuse etc. We do charge for 'workwear' where an employee or agency employee may start and leave within a very short time scale. This would include boots etc, as we wouldn't re-issue used boots even if only worn for a few hours. Employees sign a disclaimer when they start.

If your risk assessment states you need the PPE , then can"t charge regardless of gow often they need ur.

Thanks

MAT
MAT  
#6 Posted : 23 August 2013 21:03:10(UTC)
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MAT

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Canopener  
#7 Posted : 23 August 2013 22:00:09(UTC)
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Canopener

MAT wrote:
Agree fully with points 2,3 and 4 above,. This would be dealt as a potential disciplinary issue if it was proven to be misuse etc. We do charge for 'workwear' where an employee or agency employee may start and leave within a very short time scale. This would include boots etc, as we wouldn't re-issue used boots even if only worn for a few hours. Employees sign a disclaimer when they start.

If your risk assessment states you need the PPE , then can"t charge regardless of gow often they need ur.

Thanks

MAT


Ohhhhhh, I'm interested now. A disclaimer for what?
MAT  
#8 Posted : 24 August 2013 12:54:47(UTC)
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MAT

canopener wrote:
MAT wrote:
Agree fully with points 2,3 and 4 above,. This would be dealt as a potential disciplinary issue if it was proven to be misuse etc. We do charge for 'workwear' where an employee or agency employee may start and leave within a very short time scale. This would include boots etc, as we wouldn't re-issue used boots even if only worn for a few hours. Employees sign a disclaimer when they start.

If your risk assessment states you need the PPE , then can"t charge regardless of gow often they need ur.

Thanks

MAT


Ohhhhhh, I'm interested now. A disclaimer for what?


The disclaimer basically says that if a worker was to leave within a set time period, they MAY be charged for WORKWEAR. Not one i am totally confortable with, but management and HR have agreed it.

MAT
MAT  
#9 Posted : 24 August 2013 13:05:18(UTC)
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MAT

Para 29 of ACOP L25 allows for employer upon termination of employment to deduct from final wage for any PPE that ex employee has kept without permission. Providing that this is stipulated in contract of employment.

MAT
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