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ctd167  
#1 Posted : 04 September 2013 11:31:44(UTC)
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ctd167

An OHS service provider has intimated to me that it is a legal requirement for fork lift truck drivers to undertake a medical assessment of there capability to do the job.
Comments please.
Jake  
#2 Posted : 04 September 2013 11:43:45(UTC)
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Jake

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l117.pdf

Para 50 - 54.

It's industry practice (certainly in warehousing and logistics) to screen FLT drivers to identify any medical conditions that could impair their safety as FLT operators (latent conditions e.g. heart attack and possible conditions that could flare up e.g. epilepsy etc.). Where a relevant condition was present Occ Health advice was sought.
ctd167  
#3 Posted : 04 September 2013 12:34:12(UTC)
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ctd167

My worry is that our OHS provider has informed us it is a legal requirement, which clearly it is not.
stuie  
#4 Posted : 04 September 2013 12:42:28(UTC)
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stuie

Playing devils advocate; paraphrasing - paragraph 50 of the ACOP says you have to RA the health of the drivers - how will you do this without screening to know what if any risks there are?
As we know the acop is not legislation but you have to show that you have taken measures as effective if you don't follow the acop. Incidentally we screen all our FLT drivers.
Stu
Stephen Mills  
#5 Posted : 04 September 2013 12:46:33(UTC)
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Stephen Mills

HSG6 - Safety in working with lift trucks states on page 8 under 'medical considerations' - 'it is good practice for all operators and potential operators to be screened for fitness before employment and again at regular intervals in middle age. Examination at age 40 and thereafter at fi=ve yearly intervals is recommended'. Operators over 65 should be screened annually.........'

Obviously this is a guide attempting to follow a similar requirement for Group 2 driving licence holders, but it seems your provider has taken things a step further.

Steve Mills
ctd167  
#6 Posted : 04 September 2013 13:12:42(UTC)
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ctd167

Whilst I wouldn't neccasarily disagree with the principle of screening, its the blatant lie I'm not comfortable with.
Its not the first time this company has say 'stretched a point' to suit there own ends and I have reccomended to my MD that we seek an alternative more 'open' provider.
stevedm  
#7 Posted : 04 September 2013 13:47:08(UTC)
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stevedm

I have some sympathy with you and your provider after having been at both ends of the conversation...

I think we have to remember that just because of extensive lobbying against it by various industry groups it hasn't become law...however you can clearly see from the guidance set out that that is or was the intention.

So although currently not it should be and if in a throw away comment you are throwing away your provider that maybe isn't the best choice...I'm sure you will make the right decsion for your business.
cheifinspector  
#8 Posted : 04 September 2013 13:59:58(UTC)
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cheifinspector

If they say it is a requirement then ask them to show you where it is written in black and white. I have been in this situation before and when you throw the question back at them you are usually hit by a wall of silence!!!

Agree with above posts though that it is best practice but certainly not legislation.
IanDakin  
#9 Posted : 04 September 2013 14:17:48(UTC)
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IanDakin

Stephen Mills wrote:
HSG6 - Safety in working with lift trucks states on page 8 under 'medical considerations' - 'it is good practice for all operators and potential operators to be screened for fitness before employment and again at regular intervals in middle age. Examination at age 40 and thereafter at fi=ve yearly intervals is recommended'. Operators over 65 should be screened annually.........'

Obviously this is a guide attempting to follow a similar requirement for Group 2 driving licence holders, but it seems your provider has taken things a step further.

Steve Mills


Hi
HSG6 has now gone. The new version of L117 is in place. Although it is basically the same.

I use questionnaires to screen, and then if required refer for a medical.
Ian
IanDakin  
#10 Posted : 04 September 2013 14:19:25(UTC)
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IanDakin

Forgot to post the link to L117.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/books/l117.htm
Stephen Mills  
#11 Posted : 04 September 2013 15:15:00(UTC)
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Stephen Mills

Ian,

You are quite right - the new edition replaced HSG6 earlier this year and it had slipped my mind!!

Nonetheless you are correct that basically the same issues are still highlighted there.

Steve Mills
Geoff 1954  
#12 Posted : 05 September 2013 12:37:15(UTC)
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Geoff 1954

However paragraph 52 says For most work with lift trucks, a standard of fitness equivalent to that for the Group 1 entitlement (ordinary driving licence holders) would be appropriate. Activities such as working in a particularly demanding environment, working at night or moving highly toxic or explosive materials would probably be more appropriate to the Group 2 entitlement (heavy goods vehicle licence holders).

So dependent upon your activities the only need is to ensure that your drivers have satisified the medical conditions for an ordinary driving licence.

Geoff
ctd167  
#13 Posted : 05 September 2013 13:01:01(UTC)
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ctd167

I'll be complying with the group 1 requirement based on the DVLC recommendations I think.
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