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Hi all i was just wondering how other companies dealt with accidents during the journey to and from work. One of our shareholders has a procedure which states that any accident which is during the travelling to and from work which results in lost time should be reported as a lost time accident. This been in your own car or the compnay transportation it doesnt matter. I persoanlly think this difficult to amange and where do you stop? Here in the middle east you put your life at risk everytime you get into a vehicle mainly from the other drivers on the road so is it a far and accurate reporting if we counting this as an LTA for me it undermines the whole reason for reporting LTA's which for me is to make an assessment of the work place and work place activites risk and the performance of the site (Not based soley on LTA) I would appreciate anyones views on this
Best Regards
P.S Excuse my poor grammer and spelling
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Whether an accident that occurs during commuting should be classified as an (work) accident or even a Lost Time accident (if absence from work results) is a complex question. There are many factors to consider.
Here in the UK accidents during travel to work are not (normally) regarded as workplace accidents either for reporting to enforcement bodies or for the purposes of civil claims for compensation.
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If the commuting was being undertaken in a company vehicle, driven by another employee - as might be the case for construction workers - then the above does not hold true.
However, in other countries (Germany for one I think) travel to and from work is regarded as being part of "work" for the purposes of state benefits etc.
Then there is the issue of whether a company has any degree of control over commuting. If they do not then to include such accidents within the reported statistics seems a little strange.
So, it really all depends. Not sure if this is of any help
Phil
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As Phil says, it's not an easy question!
There's an ILO Convention that says commuting accidents SHOULD be counted as work-related - but many countries (including UK) have not signed up to that.
One view is that people wouldn't be travelling on that journey unless they were going to/coming from work - so such events should be included. The alternative view (that you state) is that many of the travel risks cannot be controlled by the employer, so what is the point of trying to investigate? This is especially true if the travel is not in a self-driven vehicle, e.g. walking, or by train!
Of course, if the employer provides the transport, e.g. a crew bus, as I've seen in the Middle East, or as for the recent helicopter ditching in N Sea, then all parties would agree it IS work-related.
Another issue to think about is that whether any injury is/is not an LTA is often over-emphasised - because to many organisations use such figures exclusively to measure their safety performance - but you have already noted that there should be other measures too.
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Question:
Does the smoking ban apply to work vehicles as they are a place of work?
I know the question might sound unrelated but I do have a valid reason for this question in relation to this thread.
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Jarsmith83
Yes. It does in Ireland anyway.
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jarsmith83: You've had your van stopped in Edinburgh haven't you? Got slapped with a penalty notice for not having the regulation no smoking sign in it? Council staff on a money-making scam... perish the thought! So yes, it does apply, both in England/Wales and Scotland.
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JAR
Applies except to a vehicle which is owned by or wholly allocated to driver when not carrying any other person at work.
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