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I am reviewing certain aspects of our hearing protection policy and have one item I am trying to research. When using in ear style hearing protection that is contaminated with hydrocarbon fuel products transferred from employee’s gloved hands what are the hazards. I am thinking of skin issues or even if absorption is a possibility. Does anyone have any research or other information they could share on any hazards from any such contamination to help me.
I have done a Google search (other providers are available) but can’t find anything, I may be using the wrong search terms.
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Have you had a look at the MSDS for the substances. It usually tells you what hazards are and how to control them.
Regards
Robert Paterson
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I strongly suggest you focus on improving provision of welfare and hygiene facilities, i.e. combat this problem at source.
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Ron,
long before I joined the ranks of safety there was a occupational nurse who always told me to avoid using 'in canal ear protection' for the simple reason of containment transfer. I've since taken that advice on, only allowing a limited supply of 'in ear' PPE during exceptionally warm spells to ensure that some form of hearing protection is used. Not only are you likely to transfer a contaminant but you risk damaging the sensory hairs in the ear canal thus reducing hearing acuity.
The main outcome in your case will probably be contact dermatitis in the ear canal, but as ever do check the MSDS.
Badger
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Fly...can't find all the references at the moment...but I did a literature review a few years ago... try googling 'Clinical and microbiological features of otitis externa' ...or references to 'otitis externa'.
From memory there was some evidence and discussion around the breakdown of the skin protection in wet environments mainly with swimmers/divers..also people cleaning excessively and scoring the layers along with pressure on the ear drum..
Quick memory dump hope it helps...
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Am i missing something?
WTF are the employees putting ear protection in whilst wearing contaminated gloves?? There needs to be some serious education on site.
The hazards should be self explanatory from your COSHH risk assessment - along with appropriate controls, etc. (An MSDS is not a COSHH Ax, but I am sure you know this)
Sorry, don't understand your question as you are just pointing out poor working practices which as others point out should be corrected at source.
Mark
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How quickly things here go off at a tangent.
What good will be knowledge of 'Clinical and microbiological features of otitis externa' except for a microbiologist or ENT surgeon? It's not going to help here.
Irritated skin in the ear canal may induce damage sufficient to result in a secondary infection process but that is not by any means certain. One does not automatically follow the other. It would be like Googling speed cameras for information about engine performance and rates of acceleration. The link is at best tenuous.
Actually, there is so much more to it than that, but not for this Forum.
The suggestion that 'there was some evidence and discussion around the breakdown of the skin protection in wet environments mainly with swimmers/divers..also people cleaning excessively and scoring the layers along with pressure on the ear drum..' is about right. Otitis externa often has its foundation in mechanical trauma due to overuse of cotton buds, pen tops, fingers etc.
But unless your staff are underwater while they're working with these hydrocarbon-contaminated plugs then it all seems a bit irrelevant. And I assume that they don't leave the plugs in for days at a time.
A little more practical would be to question why you use ear plugs contaminated with hydrocarbons? Presumably this is from grubby hands/gloves. Use clean gloves; wash hands before inserting or removing plugs, and avoid/prevent contamination.
So, change gloves and wash hands; use alternative ear defenders that can be applied/removed without contamination, or leave them in once in place and remove them only when hands are clean and hydrocarbons have been removed.
And why look for an MSDS? If it gives information about application of the compound to the skin of the external ear canal or external auditory meatus via soiled ear plugs I will eat a pair of said ear plugs!
I'm minded now to wonder if there might be information about the effects of these hydrocarbon residues on the tissues lining the nasal passages?
There might be, but pigs might fly.
Better to remove contaminated gloves and wash your hands free of hydrocarbon residues before picking your nose! With both ears and noses, and with other orifices too, these are practical hygiene issues.
Avoid or prevent exposure. Job done
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Yes you can get infections from dirty hands putting in ear plugs. Certain individuals will be more prone to get ear infections as well. Therefore people should either wash hands before use or if contamination is likely use a different type of hearing protection.
Personally I hate those foam inserts that need to be scrunched up. No one ever puts them in properly and hands are nearly always dirty.
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IanB I typed a reply and then deleted it...I don't have as much time on my hands as you. Part of my duties include remote and offshore medicine, HPC registered.
I was just trying to help someone rather than be arrogant with my knowledge...
Typical of this forum.
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Claire, the other one. Yes, it's a hygiene issue; avoid contamination and, rather than or, avoid contamination and the issue is largely eliminated.
And Stevedm, it probably wasn't worth writing in the first place. Be assured there is no pleasure in reading, shall we all it incorrect information nor any in correcting it. But it is important to get it right, and correct it when it is simply wrong. As you have noted, it's always best to think about what has been written and delete that of which you are it certain.
I think you mean HCPC registered.
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Ian
Please rewrite your second paragraph about Steve's comments, you appear to be guilty of your own complaints about things being wrong, in that you have extraneous words in it and it doesn't make sense.
Thanks very much
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Thank you for all your comments, as suggested our training on the new ear defenders will include information regarding some basic measures to take to reduce contamination opportunities.
The defenders I have chosen that meet the noise reduction levels required will sit in the ear rather than having to be pushed into them and will be mounted on a polycarbonate flexible band so hopefully dirty hands will be kept away from the ears and the buds that fit into the outer ear.
The MSDS only contained general information about skin contact
"Skin: Wash skin thoroughly with soap and water as soon as reasonably practicable."
"R38 Irritating to skin"
"S24 Avoid contact with skin"
Which is why I was looking for any research on the subject.
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Hilary
Sarcasm is unnecessary if you simply add the letter c in front of all. Then it is entirely clear, if you care to make the effort.
And you know, without help, that this is a mile apart from the poor quality contribution by Stevedm who was factually wrong.
Some fragile souls seem unable to distinguish sarcasm from a robust rebuttal of their errors and the poor "advice" that misinforms others. And then they kick off with unnecessary comments, as you have now done.
Stevedm also falls into that category, judging by the rude and insulting pm that he sent to me, which I feel sure breaches the Forum rules.
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flysafe,
The MSDS answers your question. The chemical in question can cause irritant contact dermatitis when in contact with the skin. This will include the skin around the ear (from hearing protection) and hence employees need to avoid using contaminated hearing protection. They therefore need to be educated about this, as failure to use clean ear protection will lead to dermatitis (which will be RIDDOR reportable). You have a duty to manage this risk under COSHH.
An anology you might want to use is to ask them what measures they would take if handling raw sewage i.e. would they put hearing protection straight in their ears if covered in raw sewage?
All of this is preventable with good working practices (hygiene, etc) so looking for 'research' is unlikely to change the advice in this case.
Mark
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