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gumbley001c  
#1 Posted : 23 October 2013 08:43:37(UTC)
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gumbley001c

Hi All

I work for a local authority and as you can imagine we have a diverse number of sites and activities. One site in particular has decided that they are going for the ISO hat trick (quality, environment and health and safety). As an orgnaisation we do not have or plan to go for accreditation.

They are in the throws of writing their own health and safety "policy"

I was just wondering if anyone else has this experience, do they start from scratch and write their own policy - or can they just reference to the corporate one?

All help is greatly appreciated !!
imwaldra  
#2 Posted : 23 October 2013 09:20:45(UTC)
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imwaldra

Why on earth would they wish to waste energy on compiling and consulting about their own policy if the Corporate one is suitable? If it isn't, then that one should be revised!

I suggest you divert this effort to getting them to think about and suitably document their local 'arrangements' to implement the Corporate policy really effectively.
David Bannister  
#3 Posted : 23 October 2013 09:48:40(UTC)
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David Bannister

Sound like a waste of public money to me and I'm in agreement with imw's post. If they have nothing better to do than submit themselves to audits of dubious value then maybe their jobs are ripe for reorganisation.
JJ Prendergast  
#4 Posted : 23 October 2013 10:00:31(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Have to agree with the other posts.

Your LA 'head office' should set the corporate policy for H&S/Env etc.

It is then for external/other sites to follow corporate policy.

There should be no need for external/other sites to write their own policy.

Local sites shold write local procedures etc, as required - as it maybe the case that a site has specific local issues to address.

Surely the decision (and costs) for ISO accreditation is a corporate decision, to be possibly rolled out across the organisation over time.

Have to agree, seems like a waste of public money
gramsay  
#5 Posted : 23 October 2013 11:03:32(UTC)
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gramsay

You have my sympathies, gumbley!

One of the reasons this can happen is down to client requirements (yep, LAs can have corporate clients too!) - for example if an LA roads department carries out surfacing or street lighting work for a private client they may well be required to have the relevant accreditation. If the roads dept thus can make a business case for gaining this accreditation there's no reason why this should mean the entire council has to join in.

I work for an organisation where our 14001 covers 30 of our 2,500 employees, and our 9001 covers 450. Supporting departments relevant to these management systems (mainly procurement, internal auditing and the corporate board) are of course included.

Our environmental and quality policies,though, are corporate - I agree completely with the other replies on this.

These policies don't go into the detail of how you do your work, they state your commitment to the principals you believe in so they really have to come from the top to have any hope of success.
gumbley001c  
#6 Posted : 23 October 2013 11:54:01(UTC)
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gumbley001c

Thank you gramsay!

This is something I have inherited as a newly appointed Safety Officer so the wheels have already been set in motion!!

I do think that they perhaps do not fully understand the resources that are required.

I think it is being commercially led !!!
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 23 October 2013 12:48:49(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I also question the requirement for any division of a LA to have ISO accreditation, but then times they are a-changing. Some LAs are now offering commercial services, particularly in the new technologies of green energy/sustainability. ISO route may make sense - I trust the Council's Chief Exec./Management Team are aware.

As for the Policy Statement itself: So long as the department you refer to are a part of the Council, then they are surely bound by its Policy Statement. Anything else is tantamount to anarchy.
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