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Birchall31628  
#1 Posted : 24 October 2013 18:27:02(UTC)
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Birchall31628

Hi just interested in what other people's policies are in giving people the opportunity to have an overnight stay whilst on business. Is two hours travel time or say 85 miles a benchmark?? If employees finish at 5pm on a client's site and they can't make it back home by say 7pm a good case??
SNS  
#2 Posted : 24 October 2013 21:18:18(UTC)
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SNS

Depends on many factors. The government are now using 1.5 hours travel for jobseekers - i.e. if its within that its reasonable. What would they be doing whilst away? meetings or physical work? each has fatigue elements. I have previously used a notional 11 hours of 'duty' time with a little bit of flex. Is your example 2 hours from normal place of work, or 2 hours from home? The regulations and guidance don't help much, other than requiring the activity to be risk assessed. Are there alternative means of transport? If our journeys are now more than 4 hours train is recommended - further lengthening any travel time. Bottom line is: would you be prepared to stand up in court if held accountable and the travelling party had had an accident?
achrn  
#3 Posted : 25 October 2013 08:09:25(UTC)
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achrn

Our policy is: When not working at their normal place of work, the employee’s working day should not normally exceed: 12 hours working including driving time 8 hours driving time 4 hours driving at night If you will exceed that, then there should normally be either alternative arrangements or an overnight stop.
Hally  
#4 Posted : 25 October 2013 08:37:08(UTC)
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Hally

We don't have a set in stone policy but have a bit of leeway (most trips out for staff are as a rule either a day trip to a depot within 100 miles or so or an overnight or two to fit in 2-3 depots). I can normally do Glasgow and back as a day trip even with 7 hours driving, if i'm only there for 4 hours or so. If I have to be there the whole day from 8am to 5pm or later I will stay overnight in Glasgow or somewhere on the way back.
Canopener  
#5 Posted : 25 October 2013 08:37:10(UTC)
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Canopener

There is every chance that I am going to buck the trend of other responses. In order to give a more informed response, it would be good to know: What time they started? What their method(s) of transport is? How frequently this occurs? However, as a starting point, there are countless employees who routinely work after 5 and who routinely travel up to and longer than 2 hours in both directions, by a variety and a combination of means of transport. On the face of it, I would suggest that a 5 o’clock ‘cut off’ or a 2 hour limit is unlikely to be seen by most employers as reasonable parameters for determining an overnight stay, unless there are other factors to consider.
Hally  
#6 Posted : 25 October 2013 08:43:14(UTC)
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Hally

And for me, a train is out of the question due to usually having a boot full of work related items. Not sure i'd want to carry two large plastic boxes, laptop bag and overnight case with me...
chris42  
#7 Posted : 25 October 2013 09:03:16(UTC)
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chris42

I prefer to get back to my own home if I can and will put up with / rather longer journey times to suit. I will break up the journey as I see fit. But other factors can also come into play, the weather for instance, or even time of year (more of the journey during darkness) may also come into play. Always a problem setting an absolute, perhaps better to have a if you would prefer to stay over rule(s).
hserc  
#8 Posted : 25 October 2013 09:05:27(UTC)
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hserc

I think it would also be useful when considering what is "reasonable" to look the working time and conditions over more than just a single day. For example: a driver may well have over a 3 hour drive home that night, but the following day is reasonably light with a prospect of a normal finish time and less driving. As always you have to balance your judgement based upon the tasks being carried out and the flexibility you allow your drivers to make decisions based upon their workload over a number of days, with appropriate guidance and rules obviously.
Safety Smurf  
#9 Posted : 25 October 2013 09:09:28(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Why do you need a policy for this? We allow the employee to use their own judgement. The novelty of staying away wore off many, many years ago. Everybody I work with would much rather be at home than spend another night in 'Purple Prison'.
Clairel  
#10 Posted : 25 October 2013 09:36:43(UTC)
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Clairel

Like others I also would rather go home it at all possible as even the nicest 4 star hotels lost their appeal many years ago. I would leave it up to the discretion of the individual, as there are many factors involved and each individual has different tolerances to driving. I will drive through the night with my husband to get to the Alps but others would want a stopover. In our company we chose when we stay over and that has always been the case wherever I have worked. Also forget distance. Around here, for example, 2 hrs may only get me 40-50 miles due to the tiny roads. Leave it up to the individual and if someone is taking the mick and being away a lot then take that on a case by case basis. Most people prefer to go home don't they though?
Hally  
#11 Posted : 25 October 2013 10:13:02(UTC)
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Hally

That's the thing Claire, i'm lucky in a way as most of my sites are within 5-10 minutes of a motorway or dual carriageway apart from about 3-4 of them. And the worst one of those is 30 mins on single A road in Somerset. Though we are about to open two new sites. One in Devon and one in Kent so could be interesting.
RayRapp  
#12 Posted : 25 October 2013 14:44:21(UTC)
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RayRapp

The travelling time should be pitched against the time you are actually at work. In the railway industry w work on a maximum 12 day including travelling time. There is an exception when a 14 hour one off shift is permitted, but you must have 12 hours prior to booking on for your next shift. It's not an easy one to manage as someone will always try and bend the rules.
David Bannister  
#13 Posted : 25 October 2013 15:02:28(UTC)
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David Bannister

I have found that I am less able to drive safely after a long day's work than in earlier years and so plan accordingly. Weather also has a very significant effect on tiredness at the wheel whilst traffic conditions can usually be predicted to be bad! Overnight stays are It is however a good job that my train journeys home end at the terminus. I have never yet ended up in the train depot.
David Bannister  
#14 Posted : 25 October 2013 17:52:28(UTC)
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David Bannister

Don't know what happened to my overnight stays! As others have said, the novelty very quickly wears off and eating alone in a soulless hotel is not fun. Sadly it must be much worse for women on their own, particularly in some countries.
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